Halon or ABC?, Non-racecar use |
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Halon or ABC?, Non-racecar use |
Steve Thacker |
Mar 16 2005, 07:53 PM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Hey fellas,
I'm in need of advice. I want to put in another safety device to protect my investment. This is of course for gas fire suppression. Should I go with the regular ABC unit or Halon? Thoughts, suggestions or Steve go piss up a tree are welcome. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
Steve Thacker |
Mar 16 2005, 08:24 PM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Bump
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redshift |
Mar 16 2005, 08:25 PM
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Bless the Hell out of you! Group: Members Posts: 10,926 Joined: 29-June 03 Member No.: 869 |
I use gasoline.
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Duffster |
Mar 16 2005, 09:22 PM
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OFWG Group: Benefactors Posts: 258 Joined: 29-August 03 From: Riverside, CA Member No.: 1,087 |
ABC is fine, unless you ever want to start the engine after a discharge of the system. Might look at some of the AFFF systems. You can get'em recharged at fire house supply, and you won't have a bunch of people dancing around your car singing about ozone destruction. There is a non-ozone depleting halon congener that is supposed to be coming out, but I really don't know much about it.
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kermit |
Mar 16 2005, 09:23 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 2-November 04 From: Millbrae, CA Member No.: 3,049 |
Definately go with halon. Its more expensive to buy, but you'll save so much money if you ever need to use it.
I bought this one, reconditioned: http://www.h3r.com/products/355_hv.htm $120 for a 10BC unit is a steal. It even comes with a metal mounting bracket. This is racing size, if its just for your personal use, you may want to consider getting something a little smaller. Good luck |
KaptKaos |
Mar 16 2005, 11:08 PM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Halon was the choice for computer data centers for years as it did not effect electrical wiring. However, I think that in CA it is illegal to sell now. You can service and update existing systems, but no new systems can be installed. I may be wrong, but I would check your state laws on halon before making a choice.
Regardless, halon is dangerous stuff. It removes O2 from the area, so please be careful with it. |
smooth_eddy |
Mar 16 2005, 11:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Seattle Member No.: 3,102 |
Halon =no mess. ABC = big mess. Should be a no brainer. Eddy
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Seagrave |
Mar 17 2005, 12:44 AM
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Gutenfest Touring Society Group: Members Posts: 197 Joined: 29-July 03 From: Beaverton, OR Member No.: 963 |
Having put out a fire or two in my time (fortunately NOT in the teener) I would definately recommend Halon. It is effective and it is clean. Good stuff (and don't even start with me about global warming...)
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bare 1 |
Mar 17 2005, 12:49 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 27-October 04 From: Apache Junction viaWhidbey Is. Member No.: 3,019 Region Association: None |
CO2 No mess No hazards Only problem is I've never seen one that was small enough to be practical in a car, particularly a teener. But that doesn't mean they don't exist. Also refillable. And my understanding is if you use one to put out a car fire on the road, the FD will refill it for free, at least in this neck a the woods. I've never had the opportunity to test that though.
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Steve Thacker |
Mar 17 2005, 05:52 AM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
This starting to be a no-brainer as predicted for some of you who have BTDT.
Of course Miles idea brings back fond memories of the weenie roast I had with my old fiat X/19 one morning on my way to work. I'm not going though that again. I literaly sat down on the curb and sobbed, as my cherry car finished napalming itself into the pavement. I have included some links below for your thoughts. I really like the one that has a pull cord, but my next question is where in the hell do you mount it in the car? It looks too big for inside the cockpit. could it be mounted onn the engine bay firewall and all I would have to do is drill a small hole for the trigger? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...&category=33722 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7500992741&rd=1 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...7500362958&rd=1 |
anthony |
Mar 17 2005, 09:47 AM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
FWIW, if you use a Halon extinguisher for Golden Gate region time trials it needs to be at least 5lbs.
Here's a good extinguisher for $30: http://www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/merc...tegory_Code=FES It uses siliconized Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) which is easy to clean up. IMO, cleanup is the least of your worries if you car catches on fire. |
GWN7 |
Mar 17 2005, 09:54 AM
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King of Road Trips Group: Members Posts: 6,280 Joined: 31-December 02 From: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Member No.: 56 Region Association: Northstar Region |
You would have to email the seller and ask it the cable assembly/handle comes off. That way you could route the cable easy into the cabin. Possibly thru the center consol or just above it and mount the handle just below the shifter. Drop your hand down off the shifter, pull the safety clip and pull the handle. Ask how long the cable is.
As to mounting, if it dosen't come with a bracket (clamp type) you should be able to pick one up at any fire supply store. Again ask the seller if it has one. Most new units come with one. Mount it anywhere in the engine bay, that it is out of the way when you work on the engine. A 5 lbs. unit should cover about 210 Cu. Ft. I just sold one (6 lbs unit) and it came with the bracket and the cable assembly did come off to for routeing, but it was a different make/model than the one your looking at. |
Steve Thacker |
Mar 17 2005, 10:31 AM
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UMMMPH Yea Baby Yea ! UMMMPH Group: Members Posts: 1,089 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Pickerington, Ohio Member No.: 113 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Many Thanks Bruce. I'll get right on it and ask the seller all the specifics.
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kermit |
Mar 17 2005, 12:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 169 Joined: 2-November 04 From: Millbrae, CA Member No.: 3,049 |
Halon and the environment - I learned a little about this from reading the info on the website link I posted earlier.
Basically, creating NEW halon is banned, but there is a LOT of existing halon sitting around. What do you do with it? Well, you use up the remaining inventory, which is totally legal. So I wouldn't feel bad about using Halon at all. Besides, what is worse, a bit of ozone depleting gas or a burning car, gasoline, foam, and rubber giving off all kinds of interesting pollutants? |
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