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spare time toys	Mar 20 2005, 03:00 PM Post #1
hooked on grilling food. Group: Members Posts: 4,059 Joined: 3-April 04 From: West Plano Tx Member No.: 1,884 Region Association: Southwest Region	Im trying to swap the rear hubs from the Banana to the German 8 tor and I bent a pipe on a breaker bar trying to get this thing off. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) Attached image(s)

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Andyrew	Mar 20 2005, 03:03 PM Post #2
Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California	Um.. I used 8 feet of breaker bar, a 1/2 in thick thing to hold the rotor in place. lots of lube, and a thick mat over top incase something went springing everywhere (did a couple of times) That was one of my loose trailing arms. Its 350lb from the factory if I remember right... If you have it on the car, put the wheels on, drop the car on the ground, put it in gear, put on the ebrake, and use a breaker bar with a 3 ft extension... Ya, Its a pain, just did it... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif)

jim912928	Mar 20 2005, 03:13 PM Post #3
Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,485 Joined: 8-January 04 From: Granger, IN Member No.: 1,536 Region Association: Upper MidWest	If at spec...it would have been torqued down to somewhere in the 230-250ftlb range.

spare time toys	Mar 20 2005, 03:14 PM Post #4
hooked on grilling food. Group: Members Posts: 4,059 Joined: 3-April 04 From: West Plano Tx Member No.: 1,884 Region Association: Southwest Region	What size is it? I had to use one of my 3/4 drive us sockets and it had a little slop. I dont want to mess up the threads or the nut.

ArtechnikA	Mar 20 2005, 03:17 PM Post #5
rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None	the spec book says 30-35 M-Kg (~200-230 lbs-ft) the spec you see most often is 220 lbs-ft. this is a real good place to use PB BLaster, heat, and a 1/2" impact wrench. they do have a tendency to get put on or otherwise become real tight. i use a 4' pipe on my 3/4" drive flex handle if they don't yield nicely to the impact wrench...

ArtechnikA

Mar 20 2005, 03:20 PM

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rich herzog

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QUOTE (spare time toys @ Mar 20 2005, 04:14 PM)

What size is it?

IIRC, 30mm.

1-3/16" is probably the closest US size that will fit.

jwalters	Mar 20 2005, 03:33 PM Post #7
Sooo Close....... Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 14-May 04 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 2,068 Region Association: Europe	yea, I used a 6 foot piece of fence topping pipe, with the car on the ground, wheel on, in reverse, park brake on, and I still managed to move the car two inches before it broke--real bitch

iamchappy	Mar 20 2005, 04:12 PM Post #8
It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Thats what impact guns are for. By far the best tool investment I've ever made, Ingersal Rand Ti 1000lbs nut buster.

dohrj	Mar 20 2005, 05:20 PM Post #9
Newbie Group: Members Posts: 33 Joined: 30-December 04 From: Port Washington WI Member No.: 3,378	I bought a 6-point socket. I did not care if it was ½” or ¾” drive because I wasn’t going to us a breaker bar. I used a 24” pipe wrench on the socket and slipped a 6’ piece of pipe on it. I wedged a crow bar through the studs to hold the wheel from turning. It worked.

Katmanken	Mar 20 2005, 05:20 PM Post #10
You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest	Just removed the ones on my Vanagon rear axle at a HONKING 363 ft-lbs of torque (retorque value per the book). Wouldn't use my T-bar as it bends at lesser torques, the air gun wouldn't touch it and the 4 foot long pipe wrench didn't do squat either. Went to Auto Zone, bought an english equivalent of a 43mm(?) 3/4 socket for $16 and a 3/4 big ass ratchet for $25, and a can of PB blaster. Sprayed the nuts with PB blaster, tapped on them for a few minutes, and they spun right off after 19 years of never being removed. No pipe required. Have had worse on a beetle. Wrench, 6 ft length of pipe and Ken the 200 pound weight jumping up and down on the end of the pipe. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) Ken

Rgreen914	Mar 20 2005, 06:23 PM Post #11
Member Group: Members Posts: 285 Joined: 20-October 03 From: West Covina, Ca. Member No.: 1,266	I can't remember exactly how I removed them when I did it last year, but I didn't use an impact wrench. I think I did it like I used to do to my "bug"; very large double box- end wrench and standing on the end of the wrench. I weigh a "bit" over 300 lbs! The car was on the ground with the e-brake on and maybe in gear; worked to loosen and later to tighten those nuts back on. I have since, purchased an impact wrench but have only used it to remove a steering wheel from an extra steering column which had already been removed from a car! Ron

Brando	Mar 20 2005, 08:23 PM Post #12
BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California	best method if you don't want a rigorous workout... PB Catalyst and heat. the "hotwrench" method works best (as mentioned earlier).

Aaron Cox	Mar 20 2005, 08:42 PM Post #13
Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California	300 ft lb impact wrench is what i used....

skline	Mar 21 2005, 12:07 AM Post #14
Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California	I have a 3/4 inch impact from MAC tools that has never let me down. I have not found one nut it could not remove yet. Ask Matt about it, it rocks.

Joe Bob	Mar 21 2005, 12:14 AM Post #15
Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None	Put the wheel back on....lower the car to the ground.....hopefully a motor and trans is still in it.... Set a breaker bar 3/4 inch.... and a 1-2 inch extension on the socket....get a nice 3 foot pipe, slip it over the end of the bar at 9 o'clock and jump on it....that'll do it..... No engine or trans in the car? You will have to do some creative bracing to keep the hub from turning...... Oh yeah...make sure the cotter pin has been removed..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)

ovilla	Mar 21 2005, 12:37 AM Post #16
Member Group: Members Posts: 84 Joined: 25-February 05 From: Plainfield, IL Member No.: 3,660	When I did my 5-lug conv I used a 3/4" ratchet with a 4 foot bar and broke the ratchet at the base of the socket. The Sears guy didn't even ask me anything and just gave me a new one. Anyway, I didn't own a compressor at the time so I drove down to the local Firestone and asked the guy how much to have someone loosen it with an impact gun? He said he'd do it for free so while he did I got him a Coke from the machine. Then the next time I needed work on the daily driver I took it to him too. Later on this same shop put some needed welds on a set of heat exchangers too (this time for a very small fee). Finally, make sure you use a new cotter pin and put some anti-seize on the threads. Oh, and put your new rear wheel bearings in the freezer. They'll slip right in like butter. Good luck!

URY914	Mar 21 2005, 06:33 AM Post #17
I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,693 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None	Put a Jos Gorbab CD in and crank it up to 10. The nut will back right off by itself and roll down the street. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Paul

aircooledboy

Mar 21 2005, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE (URY914 @ Mar 21 2005, 06:33 AM)

Put a Jos Gorbab CD in and crank it up to 10. The nut will back right off by itself and roll down the street. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Paul

jwalters

Mar 21 2005, 05:29 PM

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Sooo Close.......

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QUOTE (aircooledboy @ Mar 21 2005, 12:48 PM)

QUOTE (URY914 @ Mar 21 2005, 06:33 AM)

Put a Jos Gorbab CD in and crank it up to 10. The nut will back right off by itself and roll down the street. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

Paul

Joe Bob	Mar 21 2005, 05:41 PM Post #20
Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None	So....were you able to crack it loose?

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