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> 1.7-4 engine help
FastFroggy
post Mar 30 2016, 05:42 PM
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I ran into a problem last weekend. Finally able to get some highway running last weekend. Unfortunately on a high speed run i suddenly got a plume of oil smoke.

I will be investigating in more detail this coming weekend, but appreciate any recommendation on what to check. I plan to inspect head cover gasket and oil filter & oil.

Here are a few notes I made:
a. I think the smoke started after I lifted off throttle.
b. head cover gasket appears to have failed again ( replaced only 15-30 miles ago)
c. I am running Webber Carbs, header exhaust and unknown 1.7l cam/piston set.
d. Oil pressure was maintained at all times ( Accusump shows 40psi- idle pressure)
e. I have an crankcase breather hose from the OE filler neck to a separator about 6-8inches over the filler to catch-can about height of OE filler neck.
f. I do not like the color of oil on the inner oil cap. ( looks a little milky ). If it was a water-cooled engine I would say head gasket.
g.underneath is coated with oil on driver side.


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post Mar 31 2016, 02:44 PM
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A drip from a leaking valve cover gasket onto a header will make a pretty good smoke cloud.
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post Apr 2 2016, 05:37 PM
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It looks like I sucked the driver side cam cover gasket AGAIN!!!! Which is of course the reason for the smoke. What I was trying to figure out is why the passenger side twice in less than 20 miles.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/img.photobucket.com-19415-1459640274.1.jpg)

What I know now:
a. found a small spot of porosity on the weakest width of gasket interface, where the gasket got sucked in.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/img.photobucket.com-19415-1459640275.2.jpg)

b. the FelPro gasket I put in last time was a but long for the cover length. May have contributed to issue.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/img.photobucket.com-19415-1459640275.3.jpg)

PN 021 101 481 fit much better.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/img.photobucket.com-19415-1459640275.4.jpg)

c. the left and right cam covers are different. driver side with 2 inner tabs and the passenger side with 6 inner tabs. Passenger side has not leaked yet.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/img.photobucket.com-19415-1459640275.5.jpg)

Now the questions where can I get a passenger side cam cover with 6 tabs? and does this make sense as a fix or do I need to keep digging?
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post Apr 9 2016, 09:55 AM
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Get out the welder (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) and make the tabs out of sheet metal. Drill a hole in each one so you can spot weld them to the inside of the valve cover.
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post Apr 9 2016, 11:40 AM
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Or you can do this one:

http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9...alve_covers.htm

I did it, ran my car at multiple autocrosses and track events and have not had a single issue with the valve covers. Basically just weld in a strip all the way around the inside of the valve cover to hold that gasket in place.
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post Apr 9 2016, 01:29 PM
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I used the red silicone, lil bit thicker gaskets from 914rubber . ... No Mas leaky
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post Apr 10 2016, 05:50 AM
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Thanks

has anyone tried EMPI breather kit to the valve covers?
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post Apr 11 2016, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(FastFroggy @ Apr 10 2016, 04:50 AM) *

Thanks

has anyone tried EMPI breather kit to the valve covers?



I didn't use an EMPI, but bought a bigger one and had no further issues. My first time on the track with a smaller breather produced an oil filled engine compartment.

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And I did have tubes running from the valve covers to the breather, which was mounted as high as possible.

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Secondly, for all those having trouble with gaskets, the sure way to fix is to weld in a strip and then use the high temperature gasket material. You won't have any other issues. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Apr 11 2016, 06:15 PM
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Many thanks for the insight. time to get welding.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

for a couple of tack welds.


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post Apr 12 2016, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(FastFroggy @ Apr 11 2016, 05:15 PM) *

Many thanks for the insight. time to get welding.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

for a couple of tack welds.


Suggest you keep the material for the strip as thin as possible, as all it's doing is holding the gasket in place. With aftermarket Pauter rockers, I had to remove some additional material, from the strip, as I did get minor rubbing.
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