 trying to build oil pressure, and it wont turn over! |
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| MattR |
 Mar 30 2005, 01:11 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California  |
I have my freash 2056 in the floor right now and Im trying to build oil pressure outside the car to make sure I have no problems. Well I have a problem.
Rocker assemblies are out, plugs are out, and its filled with oil. With the transmission off the flywheel cranks pretty freely. I can turn it over by hand with no problem. Then I bolt up the transmission and try to bump it with the starter and it wont budge. Whats causing this? The trans is out of gear and the starter works when I hook up 12v. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) |
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| McMark |
Mar 30 2005, 01:13 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Is the starter actually trying to spin, or are you just hearing the solenoid kick out but not spin?
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| MattR |
Mar 30 2005, 01:17 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
When I pull the starter out it actually spins, but when its in the trans housing i just hear it click.
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| JoeSharp |
Mar 30 2005, 01:29 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
Ground Check...BTDT Check all conectors at the battery and the starter and the tranny ground and the hot start relay if you have one. Just went through this with Linda. Check All Conectors.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Joe |
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| mattillac |
Mar 30 2005, 01:29 PM
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robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020 |
did you test your battery?
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| MattR |
Mar 30 2005, 01:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
I am using jumper cables from the battery terminals to the starter and case bolts. The surfaces are clean, and the battery is charged. I have the starter there with an "engine start" button and tried that. No dice (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
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| mattillac |
Mar 30 2005, 01:41 PM
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robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020 |
whats up with your starter. new, rebuilt, what?
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| john rogers |
Mar 30 2005, 01:41 PM
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Does the tranny turn over when in neutral using the input shaft? When you bolt the tranny on and put it in gear can you turn the engine with one of the axel stubs? Sounds like something is getting jammed when you bolt the tranny on?
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| McMark |
Mar 30 2005, 01:50 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
With the engine and trans together, can you turn the engine over using the fan?
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| Aaron Cox |
Mar 30 2005, 01:59 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
nope... i asked him that too he says the starter works outside of the trans..gear comeout and spins..... i told him to spin the trans by the output shaft while it is in gear.... he says it pops out of gear.... ithink his trans is bunding something or it is internally fuc**d |
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| JoeSharp |
Mar 30 2005, 04:26 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
Remember when Scotts clutch linkage messed him up.
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Mar 30 2005, 04:38 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,300 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Ditch the jumper cables. Hook hard cables straight to the battery or you'll never get enough voltage to the starter. Remember, your engine is not grounded to anything!
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| Type 4 |
Mar 30 2005, 04:49 PM
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You will get it just take your time.
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| Rand |
Mar 30 2005, 05:35 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
I don't think messing with electrical connections/cables is gonna help if the motor won't turn by fan or axle stubs (especially with no compression/plugs out). Keep us curious bystanders posted Matt. Hope it turns out to be a simple fix.
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Mar 30 2005, 05:44 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,300 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
S@#t! Just reread this thread. I totally missed the post by mark and the reply by Aaron. I must agree with the rest. I'll go have a (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beer.gif) now!
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| mattillac |
Mar 30 2005, 07:00 PM
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robots! Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 27-October 04 From: vallejo,ca Member No.: 3,020 |
is your clutch set up right?
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| Aaron Cox |
Mar 30 2005, 08:03 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
bump for matt.....
any news? |
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| Dave_Darling |
Mar 30 2005, 08:46 PM
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My first check would be: Can you turn it using the fan? It should turn easily with no spark plugs in it to hold the compression.
If not, then Something Is Wrong inside the motor. You could have messed up the crank endfloat measurement, or it could be something like the oil pump drive tang is too long, or .... ?? --DD |
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| JoeSharp |
Mar 30 2005, 10:31 PM
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In Irvine, Ca. May 15-18 Group: Members Posts: 3,947 Joined: 9-July 03 From: DeLand, Florida Member No.: 898 Region Association: South East States |
If the motor turned over before you hooked up the tranny the prob is the tranny. Tension on the clutch through the through out bearing yoke.
Joe |
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| MattR |
Mar 31 2005, 12:43 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
Okay, an update.
I got really frusturated with the 914 so i spent a lot of time with the 912 today. I figured out why it sounded like shit; the floats were WAY out of whack on one side. BUT to the 914: like joe sharp said the motor turned over freely by hand with no trans. Its definately the trans or clutch. In neutral I can spin the output shafts freely. It doesnt bind. I put it in fifth and it was rock solid. I had some luck when a-aron suggested topping up the gear oil. I put in a quart of gear oil and now it spins in 5th, but still doesnt start. I put a quart of oil in and I think im going to add another. I dont think I topped it up all the way, then I'll try that. I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks for the support! |
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