RABY and Value, Comments Options

[0396]

Does anyone out there on the "World" have first hand knowledge or experience with a RABY engine? Is the higher than normal acquisition cost worth the performance, reliability and drivability characteristics claimed by the Manufacturer.

I can speak to performance of my 2316 Raby kit /4 engine relative to my 2.7L RS spec /6. At Summit Point race track full course I'm lapping at 1:34, 1:35 in the /4 and 1:31 in the /6. However, the /4 weighs 2400 pounds since it's in full street trim with softer suspension whereas the /6 is at 2000 pounds as it's stripped out and has stiff suspension & much bigger brakes. So, basically equal.

Here's dyno sheets for both, the /4 was a tuning run for the SDS injection map. I'm sure that one of Jake's current builds has a better profile.

As for driving experience, here's the Raby /4 at VIR early in my DE progression, still in blue group, but it'll give you a sense of the sound & speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tEALVfzHM


And later on here's the /6 at Watkins Glen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VfSA3_iEXg


Yeah, it's apples & oranges....but both GREAT!

I remember back in the 60 / 70s. My friends would go to the drags with 396 / 427 vs 350. .
Over the years, guess where Porsche went..cubic inches/ CC.
Both are good, but if I had to shell out 20 +k ...Its going to be cubic inches/ cc......you can see it in the YouTube videos above. ..thanks to wndsuf for the videos...I see you were having fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Chris914n6]

There is a build thread where someone had a shop in Socal build a t4 with great numbers, for much less.
Do a search for the various displacements.

[thelogo]

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


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If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

[Gunn1]

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


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If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

NARP ?

[Cracker]

914 = Not - A - Real - Porsche

John - Thank you for posting videos - the 4 does really well given its size. Very nice!

T

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


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If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

NARP ?

[worn]

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[GulleyGulley]

I had a 1915 Type 1 from Jake in a Beck speedster. And currently have a 2316 Type IV in my Vintage 550. No complaints on either motor. The 550 with the 2316 motor is by far the fastest car I've ever owned. Including several 911 (new & old), 914-6 with a 3.2, cobra, etc. The Type IV motor just puts out a ton of torque and is lighter and cheaper (even at 20K) than putting a big six in a 914. Either motor may cost 20K, but putting a six into a 4 car requires a lot of extras that cost big $$$. Not to mention time and fabrication.

[Gunn1]

914 = Not - A - Real - Porsche

John - Thank you for posting videos - the 4 does really well given its size. Very nice!

T

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


See girls in yoga pants thread for more clarity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)


If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

NARP ?

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?

They Say Porsche all over them.

When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"

Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

[DBCooper]

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?

They Say Porsche all over them.

When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"

Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Calm down.... deep breaths.... that's a JOKE. The 914 was always looked down on by owners of it's big brother 911 as something less than a "real" Porsche, with those VW engines in front of the rear axles and all. The 914 community took that on as a badge of pride, Not A Real Porsche, NARP, to rub it in. Especially when we beat them in any kind of competition.

Now on the other hand, you with four 914's? Four? Really? At what point do you admit you have a problem?

[Gunn1]

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?

They Say Porsche all over them.

When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"

Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Calm down.... deep breaths.... that's a JOKE. The 914 was always looked down on by owners of it's big brother 911 as something less than a "real" Porsche, with those VW engines in front of the rear axles and all. The 914 community took that on as a badge of pride, Not A Real Porsche, NARP, to rub it in. Especially when we beat them in any kind of competition.

Now on the other hand, you with four 914's? Four? Really? At what point do you admit you have a problem?

When I go.....I go all in.

And I admit I do have a problem, and the "World" isn't helping. Ha

[r_towle]

I had a 1915 Type 1 from Jake in a Beck speedster. And currently have a 2316 Type IV in my Vintage 550. No complaints on either motor. The 550 with the 2316 motor is by far the fastest car I've ever owned. Including several 911 (new & old), 914-6 with a 3.2, cobra, etc. The Type IV motor just puts out a ton of torque and is lighter and cheaper (even at 20K) than putting a big six in a 914. Either motor may cost 20K, but putting a six into a 4 car requires a lot of extras that cost big $$$. Not to mention time and fabrication.

Interesting post.
How much does your 550 weigh?

After having built more than a few type 4 motors, 20k is just crazy.
It's super inflated .

[r_towle]

914 = Not - A - Real - Porsche

John - Thank you for posting videos - the 4 does really well given its size. Very nice!

T

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


See girls in yoga pants thread for more clarity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)


If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

NARP ?

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?

They Say Porsche all over them.

When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"

Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Go to a Porsche show and you may still hear the talk behind your back that it's not a real Porsche, it's a vw.

[JoeD]

Jake is currently building my 1.7 into a 2270. I wanted to stay true to the air cooled Type 4, and I wanted the absolute best there is. I happen to live an hour away from his shop, my kid and I have been out to see him several times, and he and his folks have been fantastic to work with.

Yes, the engine is costing me more than what I paid for the car. I've also put a lot into it myself in addition to the work Jake is doing with the motor- blood, sweat, and tears, and quite a few more $$$s. I am sure that I could have done many different things with the money and I know the car will have cost me a multiple of what it's probably worth on the market, but it's going to scream, and I love it.

To each his own- this is what I wanted, I can't wait to have it back on the road soon with that Raby motor behind me, and I intend to drive the hell out of it for years to come.

[Gunn1]

914 = Not - A - Real - Porsche

John - Thank you for posting videos - the 4 does really well given its size. Very nice!

T

If you have to ask how much then its not for you (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)


See girls in yoga pants thread for more clarity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)


If your spending 20k on an engine then i would imagine you should have some other car
Then a narp 914 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/KMA.gif)

NARP ?

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?

They Say Porsche all over them.

When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"

Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Go to a Porsche show and you may still hear the talk behind your back that it's not a real Porsche, it's a vw.

But wasn't vw first.... before the Porsche?

Porsche was born out of VW, so couldn't it be said all Porsches are actually descended from VW's?

[r_towle]

It's a narp, get used to it and wear it proudly

[Gunn1]

It's a narp, get used to it and wear it proudly

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[SirAndy]

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?
They Say Porsche all over them.
When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"
Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Actually, yes. They're NOT Porsche.
And since you have 4 of them, you should really know their history better.

The 914 was a joint venture between Volkswagen and Porsche and those two actually started an independent 3rd company just to make and sell the 914.
The company was called "VW-Porsche Vertriebsgesellschaft".

The only reason why 914s say PORSCHE on them on the USA is because of marketing (!) since US dealers were concerned that the car wouldn't sell if it was affiliated with VW.

Anywhere else in the world, they didn't have the Porsche badge.
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[Bulldog9]

OU812 Even if you add all 4 together(really? do they all run? where are your pics?) the 914 is not a Full Porsche... even if you go all in. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Call it REAL or FULL, its a NARP to some. Was intended/developed as a VW, even has VW logos all over it, especially the motor. This is also true of my 912E, it has a VW derived motor (same as a 76 914 2.0 but with a different FI system). NARP... And SO WHAT...... Oh, and for a little more perspective, most Porsche's have parts and labels with that funny 4 interlinked set of O's..... Does that make them Audi's? or NARP?

I've bumped into a few of those 'real porsche' dudes. Same as the Harley Crowd, or other snobbery. Buncha douches who deserve the Monty Python treatment.

Own what you want, make it what you want LOVE it drive it ride it. Enthusiasts are a wide brotherhood and one of the things I really appreciate against 914 World is the enthusiast heart, camaraderie and general support and mutual admiration among its members.

[r_towle]

Say it like Boston.


Naahhhhp

[76-914]

I have four 914's.....your telling me they aren't real Porsche's?
They Say Porsche all over them.
When ordering parts for them, the factory parts say "original PORSCHE parts"
Then Manuals used to repair them say Porsche.

Actually, yes. They're NOT Porsche.
And since you have 4 of them, you should really know their history better.

The 914 was a joint venture between Volkswagen and Porsche and those two actually started an independent 3rd company just to make and sell the 914.
The company was called "VW-Porsche Vertriebsgesellschaft".

The only reason why 914s say PORSCHE on them on the USA is because of marketing (!) since US dealers were concerned that the car wouldn't sell if it was affiliated with VW.

Anywhere else in the world, they didn't have the Porsche badge.
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Question, So we call them Porsche here in the US. In Germany what do people call them? VW-Porsche Vertriebsgesellschaft is too long. FWIW, I owned 2 MB's before a German vacationer told me they weren't called MB's in Germany but rather Daimler Benz. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)