RABY and Value, Comments Options

[boxsterfan]

Say it like Boston.


Naahhhhp

#NARPStrong

[era vulgaris]

I thought Ferdinand was in jail in France for war crimes at the end of WWII, leaving Ferry in charge, who came up with the idea for the 356. Technically the 60k10 was also a Narp as it used the same engine Porsche designed for the Beetle, but dual carbed, iirc.

[thelogo]

I seem to recall that when WW2 ended, the allies were looking for anything to get the economy going again, and th beetle was all set to go, all tested and ready to build.

Porsche put his name in the ring to run the company but due to his lack of experience in large automated manufacturing the allies chose someone else to run VW and Porsches designs, property of the government, were used to build the beetle.

Porsche was not pleased and went out to build his own car, but he went back to the designs he really liked and the 356 was born...

But, the 914 is a NARP...and so is the 924/944 line...just saying.

Rich

I seem to recall that when WW2 ended, the allies were looking for anything to get the economy going again, and th beetle was all set to go, all tested and ready to build.

Porsche put his name in the ring to run the company but due to his lack of experience in large automated manufacturing the allies chose someone else to run VW and Porsches designs, property of the government, were used to build the beetle.

Porsche was not pleased and went out to build his own car, but he went back to the designs he really liked and the 356 was born...

But, the 914 is a NARP...and so is the 924/944 line...just saying.

Rich

Awesome stuff guys


So your saying the evil 911 is the demon child spawn of
The 356?

Please do inform me





And


Wasnt lamborgini a guy who couldn't stand his ferrari breaking down so he made his own super car

Guys like this are something else




And to the post2 above , can you tell me what war machines this as you say

Porsche design firm. Is responsible for , tanks right but i also heard v2 ,v1 rocket ?

























Awesome stuff guys

[914_teener]

To the OP.


Raby knows his stuff to answer your inquiry.

You have to pay sometimes to play, or learn how to do it yourself.

That is what part of this forum and community is about. History is history.

Drive what you got or intend to get and have fun doing it.

The difference between an ordeal and an adventure is:


Attitude.


Good luck.

[thelogo]

At 25 k

Its only 5k more


http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-997-2008...N8AAOSwv9hW4dqp









And if you must stick to a cheap sob
20k budget




This might work



http://m.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Complete-Aud...h4AAOSw6oBXEvTQ

[poorsche914]

... Does anyone out there on the "World" have first hand knowledge or experience with a RABY engine? Is the higher than normal acquisition cost worth the performance, reliability and drivability characteristics claimed by the Manufacturer ...

I have a Raby 2056 (the last one he built for a customer) that I installed in my 914 back in March. Drive it every day and love it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
Still needs fine tuning for my altitude and driving style. Dual 44s are thirsty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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[JamesM]

I seem to recall that when WW2 ended, the allies were looking for anything to get the economy going again, and th beetle was all set to go, all tested and ready to build.

Porsche put his name in the ring to run the company but due to his lack of experience in large automated manufacturing the allies chose someone else to run VW and Porsches designs, property of the government, were used to build the beetle.

Porsche was not pleased and went out to build his own car, but he went back to the designs he really liked and the 356 was born...

But, the 914 is a NARP...and so is the 924/944 line...just saying.

Rich

So does my Vanagon use Porsche parts or are my Porsches using Vanagon parts? I have found a few pieces on my Vanagon that were also used on Porsche models that pre-date it.

[EdwardBlume]

The 924 was an Audi. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

[falcor75]

and the Shelby Cobra is just an AC Ace.....

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[billh1963]

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-997-2008...N8AAOSwv9hW4dqp


http://m.ebay.com/itm/NEW-OEM-Complete-Aud...h4AAOSw6oBXEvTQ

Sad when you think it takes almost that much to rebuild a run of the mill 911 engine. Even more if you want non-stock.

[76-914]

In Germany what do people call them?

VoPo = Volks Porsche
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I like that. Peoples Porsche, right? Kind of says it all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Great thread, BTW! The only bit I can contribute is, and if IIRC, Porsche still offers deign services. Harley employed their services when designing their updated engine. Was it the revolution or evolution? I forget the model name. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Gunn1]

I think I'm going back to the Sachs Wankel idea



Wonder if RABY has built any of these beauties?

LOL

[dcheek]

If it makes you feel any better, if Singer started to do his magic to 914's the motor alone would cost $120,000. So consider $20K a bargain.

By the way, I saw my first Singer 911 at Hershey. He's the best there is and you pay for it. Talked to the owner - $450,000 is entry level and you have to supply the car!!!
There's a long line to get in.

Conclusion? Those that can afford it - God Bless them. Getting back to the owner, we saw his car parked at a biker bar on the way home. Obviously he has F.Y. money and uses his car. I have to admire that. Correction - I envy that.

Dave

[eeyore]

If you have a pristine example of a car, are an absolute purist and don't suffer from 'the grass is always greener...' syndrome, and can afford it. Then do it.

[GulleyGulley]

I had a 1915 Type 1 from Jake in a Beck speedster. And currently have a 2316 Type IV in my Vintage 550. No complaints on either motor. The 550 with the 2316 motor is by far the fastest car I've ever owned. Including several 911 (new & old), 914-6 with a 3.2, cobra, etc. The Type IV motor just puts out a ton of torque and is lighter and cheaper (even at 20K) than putting a big six in a 914. Either motor may cost 20K, but putting a six into a 4 car requires a lot of extras that cost big $$$. Not to mention time and fabrication.

Interesting post.
How much does your 550 weigh?

After having built more than a few type 4 motors, 20k is just crazy.
It's super inflated .

The 550 weighs just about 1,100. Motor puts out around 185hp (160+ at the wheels). It's scary fun. The suspension on the Vintage cars makes it very stable at speed. Sold my 914-6 once this was done. The receipt I have for the engine shows a build cost of 9K (2004?). I picked up the unbuilt kit and engine from a guy that lost interest in the project. Jake told me to he doesn't build this anymore but if he did it would be around 20K.

[nathansnathan]

It's always seemed to me that people buying a Raby motor would be setting themselves up for some disappointment. To think you'd get all this performance and reliability from just a long block.

To get the potential from it involves not just the motor but also fuel delivery, the exhaust, and the tuning. The engine may be built with the best components, made to last, balanced internally, but if you're running like baby webers and a 009 I don't think it's going to be a screamer. There's so much to be gained from tuning, and it's so rare to see peoples 914's and buses really purr... Just properly synching carbs, not running too rich, running enough advance, there is a lot of performance to be gleaned from a stock long block.

These are my thoughts when I see people running a single progressive carb saying they'd never pay that much for a motor. ...well yeah, would be pointless with that stuff bolted to it.

[eric9144]

To OP's original question...
If I had a really nice 914, lets say in the $15-20k range "as is" with a stock 2.0L, would you ever see the value back out of adding a Raby motor @ $20k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

$35-40k for a 4 cyl car...good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

And don't get me wrong, I'm an advocate, but you'll never see the investment come back via sale...

[mbseto]

If you keep wine an cheese in your glove box and premium fuel in your tank
Its a porsche ah'
If you keep a pint of Newcastle and a 1/8 of medical Cannibus in your glove box and reg unleaded
In your tank , then its a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) narp

How bout a mare's leg taped under the gas tank?

[mbseto]

Wasnt lamborgini a guy who couldn't stand his ferrari breaking down so he made his own super car

Lamborghini got tired of Ferrari looking down on him for being a tractor maker, and decided to beat him at his own game. More snobbery.

[TheCabinetmaker]

It's always seemed to me that people buying a Raby motor would be setting themselves up for some disappointment. To think you'd get all this performance and reliability from just a long block.

To get the potential from it involves not just the motor but also fuel delivery, the exhaust, and the tuning. The engine may be built with the best components, made to last, balanced internally, but if you're running like baby webers and a 009 I don't think it's going to be a screamer. There's so much to be gained from tuning, and it's so rare to see peoples 914's and buses really purr... Just properly synching carbs, not running too rich, running enough advance, there is a lot of performance to be gleaned from a stock long block.

These are my thoughts when I see people running a single progressive carb saying they'd never pay that much for a motor. ...well yeah, would be pointless with that stuff bolted to it.

I think Jake's engines come complete.