How to verify crankcase oil level on a /6? Options

[tornik550]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

[Cairo94507]

I can't recall what a stock 6 holds at this point, but I guarantee you it is not 14 quarts. I do not believe it is even 12 quarts. In the back of my mind I am thinking 10.5, but could be wrong.

[tornik550]

I can't recall what a stock 6 holds at this point, but I guarantee you it is not 14 quarts. I do not believe it is even 12 quarts. In the back of my mind I am thinking 10.5, but could be wrong.

I believe that is correct. It clearly seems to be too much oil. That's why I am confused as to why it is not showing on the dipstick. Either there's a problem with my dipstick or for some reason too much oil is in the crankcase.

[r_towle]

Is the oil hot?
It won't show on the stick till it's all hot

[jcd914]

I think 14 qts will show even cold.

The concern I would have is how did all the oil get from the tank to the engine case so fast? The oil would have to flow thru the oil pump to get into the crankcase and it should take several days (or longer) for several quarts to flow in.
If you are seeing oil in the cylinders, there is too much oil in the crankcase.

Because it is a dry sump engine, it actually needs very little oil in the tank (5qts?) to fill the oil gallies, cooler and crank up oil pressure (even run the engine). The 8-12 qts is to provide thermal capacity for extended running and load.

Did you get any oil pressure while cranking?
Was the oil pump you installed new or used?
Did you have the oil pressure circuit modification done to the case?
Might check the oil pressure relief valve to make sure it sits all the way in and seals normally.

Jim

[r_towle]

I think 14 qts will show even cold.

The concern I would have is how did all the oil get from the tank to the engine case so fast? The oil would have to flow thru the oil pump to get into the crankcase and it should take several days (or longer) for several quarts to flow in.
If you are seeing oil in the cylinders, there is too much oil in the crankcase.

Because it is a dry sump engine, it actually needs very little oil in the tank (5qts?) to fill the oil gallies, cooler and crank up oil pressure (even run the engine). The 8-12 qts is to provide thermal capacity for extended running and load.

Did you get any oil pressure while cranking?
Was the oil pump you installed new or used?
Did you have the oil pressure circuit modification done to the case?
Might check the oil pressure relief valve to make sure it sits all the way in and seals normally.

Jim

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I will add that my 911 shows nearly empty till The oil is hot.
The correct way to check the oil is when it's hot, running, at idle.
A first for me, but it does make a difference .

[wndsrfr]

I can't recall what a stock 6 holds at this point, but I guarantee you it is not 14 quarts. I do not believe it is even 12 quarts. In the back of my mind I am thinking 10.5, but could be wrong.

I believe that is correct. It clearly seems to be too much oil. That's why I am confused as to why it is not showing on the dipstick. Either there's a problem with my dipstick or for some reason too much oil is in the crankcase.

OK... It's a dry sump setup. What happens is that the oil slowly seeps down into the crank case when the engine is off, then it's pumped back into the tank after startup. So, the crankcase is way overfilled on a cold startup. The only correct measurement is with the engine running and the oil hot. With engine running and the oil cold, it'll just barely wet the bottom 1/4 inch of the dipstick. The oil expands as it heats up and then it comes up to the dimple on the dipstick. I'm guessing that a bench setup with engine, stock oil cooler & tank with filter holds about 9 maybe 10 quarts. No harm in starting out with 8 and then add whats needed to get the right level after it heats up.

[mepstein]

Checking engine oil level when cold. The classic 911/914-6 mistake.
Even one of our techs ( who REALLY should have known better) did it last year.

[r_towle]

Checking engine oil level when cold. The classic 911/914-6 mistake.
Even one of our techs ( who REALLY should have known better) did it last year.

Checking is one thing, filling till it's right on the stick.....while cold...
That is a whole nuther special smoke show...

Btdt

[mepstein]

Checking engine oil level when cold. The classic 911/914-6 mistake.
Even one of our techs ( who REALLY should have known better) did it last year.

Checking is one thing, filling till it's right on the stick.....while cold...
That is a whole nuther special smoke show...

Btdt

Well he checked it, then filled it, then soaked the brand new air filter with oil...then cranked it ....again, he should have known better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
He doesn't work for us anymore.

[6freak]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

Oil console upside down.

[6freak]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

Oil console on the tank is not right

[6freak]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

Oil console on the tank is not right

[6freak]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

Oil console on the tank is not right

damn triple reply off the first cell phone post .....i think its the oil console on the tank is 180 out ,,like turn it over...good luck
MikeC

[tornik550]

I did have the oil pressure circuit modification done by ollies. The oil pump was new. I was able to get about 23 lbs of oil pressure by cranking the starter for a little (no ignition or fuel hooked up).

As far as the oil in the cylinders goes, I had cranked the engine a few times to make sure I could get appropriate oil pressure- then I went on vacation so the engine sat for a couple weeks. When I returned, that is when I found the standing oil.

I think that I was relying on the dipstick too much. I am thinking that I just need to drain the oil as though I was going to change the oil, then put about 6-8 qts back in, run the engine then check the dipstick.

What is the oil console? I tried to follow the info that I found in a different post regarding relative height of the oil tank. I supposed there could be something wrong with the height of the tank.

[6freak]

I did have the oil pressure circuit modification done by ollies. The oil pump was new. I was able to get about 23 lbs of oil pressure by cranking the starter for a little (no ignition or fuel hooked up).

As far as the oil in the cylinders goes, I had cranked the engine a few times to make sure I could get appropriate oil pressure- then I went on vacation so the engine sat for a couple weeks. When I returned, that is when I found the standing oil.

I think that I was relying on the dipstick too much. I am thinking that I just need to drain the oil as though I was going to change the oil, then put about 6-8 qts back in, run the engine then check the dipstick.

What is the oil console? I tried to follow the info that I found in a different post regarding relative height of the oil tank. I supposed there could be something wrong with the height of the tank.

its what the filter screws onto..sounds like its upside down and your just filling the motor and its not returning to the tank. good luck
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[tornik550]

I also posted this on pp however I usually get better responses here.

I recently rebuilt my 2.7l. I have the engine on a test stand. The oil tank is mounted at approximately the same level as it would be in the car. I am questioning the actual oil level in my crankcase.

I put 12qts in the tank. I cranked the engine without ignition to get the oil pressure up. The dipstick doesn't show any oil so I put a couple more quarts in and it still doesn't show on the dipstick. I suspect there is actually too much oil because I can see a little bit of standing oil in the cylinders with a scope. It is not oil from assembly cause it was a different color.

I am using a used 911 oil tank from an unknown engine.

Normally I would just wonder if my dipstick was just not correct however since the setup is on a test stand, I wonder if something else is going on and I would like to verify the oil level in the case before starting the engine. How can I do that?

Oil console on the tank is not right

damn triple reply off the first cell phone post .....i think its the oil console on the tank is 180 out ,,like turn it over...good luck
MikeC

I should have mentioned this- I am actually using a 911 oil tank which has the oil filler fixed. So I do not think that I could have it installed 180 off- if I understand correctly.

[tornik550]

I did have the oil pressure circuit modification done by ollies. The oil pump was new. I was able to get about 23 lbs of oil pressure by cranking the starter for a little (no ignition or fuel hooked up).

As far as the oil in the cylinders goes, I had cranked the engine a few times to make sure I could get appropriate oil pressure- then I went on vacation so the engine sat for a couple weeks. When I returned, that is when I found the standing oil.

I think that I was relying on the dipstick too much. I am thinking that I just need to drain the oil as though I was going to change the oil, then put about 6-8 qts back in, run the engine then check the dipstick.

What is the oil console? I tried to follow the info that I found in a different post regarding relative height of the oil tank. I supposed there could be something wrong with the height of the tank.

its what the filter screws onto..sounds like its upside down and your just filling the motor and its not returning to the tank. good luck
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Oh- I see. Unfortunately the tank I have has a fixed console. It is a 911 tank. I believe it is that way from the factory on my tank.

When I get home tonight, I will crank the engine and remove the return pipe from the cooler and see if I am getting flow through (and make a big mess (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

[McMark]

I'm not sure this was posted clearly.

You check a 911 engine while it's running.
The engine must be running while you're checking the oil.
You cannot check the oil with the engine off.

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If you're just test firing the motor, drain the oil again. Put in half of what you take out (should be 5-6 quarts based on your description).

[jfort]

over-filling a 911 or 6 is thrilling, too. You want to see smoke and have a mess to clean up? on a typical oil change, 9 quarts will do, then get hot and bring it up with maybe a quart or 1 1/2 quarts.