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| catsltd |
 May 24 2016, 06:28 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None  |
The car shifted great until now.
I took car out for a drive,and before I left the garage I noticed lots of vibration. Felt like all kinds of things were letting loose. Seemed like it corrected it self,till I came to a light. Car would not shift into first without a complete grind,same for reverse. Car started to make lots of vibration again,felt like the whole car was going to shake apart. Got the car home by driving in 2nd gear. Question is my clutch gone,sure seems like it,but I am a rookie and need some help. Clutch goes to the floor and as I release it,it does Not engage until its all the way released. Help. |
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| r_towle |
May 24 2016, 06:34 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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Probably.
Get underneath look up into the bell housing using the little hole in the bottom. If the clutch had a failure, you will see what looks like a rats nest of clutch material. Rich |
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| toolguy |
May 24 2016, 06:43 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,267 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California
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sounds like the clutch disc facing material may have broken off a piece and the clutch is dragging. .
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| catsltd |
May 24 2016, 07:24 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(toolguy @ May 24 2016, 08:43 PM)  sounds like the clutch disc facing material may have broken off a piece and the clutch is dragging. . 100.000 miles. I think both you guys are right.Sure feels like its toast. My concern is 650 dollars for clutch replacement kits,is not in my budget,any suggestions.Got a feeling Im in for a big job. But its been 1 day since I fixed my oil leaks,timing,and valve adjustment so I guess I should have know it would not last.Seems 1 day driving,I week work. Anyway Appreciate the suggestions. |
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| BeemerSteve |
May 24 2016, 08:08 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 2-September 15 From: Van Zandt, Wa Member No.: 19,123 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
May I suggest looking for a complete kit minus the flywheel unless that is toast on ebay. I found mine there and through a post here confirmed pulling the transmission out only and supporting the engine is the way to go. I paid $286.00 for the throw out bearing, pressure plate and clutch disc then down the road motors you'll go!
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| r_towle |
May 24 2016, 08:11 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Just buy the clutch disk if you are short on funds.
It's not a requirement to replace everything, no matter what anyone tells you. My son burned up all my spare clutch disks....it's a couple of hours to get it done. Rich |
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| toolguy |
May 24 2016, 08:27 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,267 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California
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. I just posted a response to another post a day ago about AutohausAz. . they have the complete Sachs clutch package for $329 free shipping no tax. . Great prices on all 914 stuff. .
http://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.a...93@Clutch%20Kit |
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| catsltd |
May 24 2016, 08:32 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(r_towle @ May 24 2016, 10:11 PM) Just buy the clutch disk if you are short on funds. It's not a requirement to replace everything, no matter what anyone tells you. My son burned up all my spare clutch disks....it's a couple of hours to get it done. Rich Thanks for the feedback. Ill pull the tranny and see what I have to deal with. Once I get it all apart I will have a better idea what I will need. Ill check ebay as suggested as well. Thanks for the help guys. Cheers. |
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| Frankvw |
May 25 2016, 08:12 AM
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working on my first 914 ! Group: Members Posts: 651 Joined: 13-April 16 From: Holland, the Netherlands Member No.: 19,896 Region Association: Europe |
Sometimes only the clutch disk is enough, but please (!) check the throwout bearing before you decide to save money. Does it wine or sing already now while engine still in the car under stress? or spins with sound after you took all apart and run it in your hand ?
Please do not save money but spend it on a new throwout bearing for sure. Also....(just my opionion, so do with it wat you want) ..Order a new clutchcable if needed now and a endnut if yours is rusted . Good time to replace it now, since you miht be adjusting it anyway with a new clutch. I had that sound/issue like you described on a VW clucth (related family setup) and some springs let go in the clutch and came loose from the disk. |
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| Geezer914 |
May 25 2016, 08:51 AM
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Geezer914 Group: Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 18-March 09 From: Salem, NJ Member No.: 10,179 Region Association: North East States
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Sachs clutch kit from Rock Auto including throw out bearing $264.00!!!
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| matthepcat |
May 25 2016, 11:32 AM
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Meat Popsicle Group: Members Posts: 1,462 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Saratoga CA Member No.: 11,125 Region Association: Northern California |
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| catsltd |
May 26 2016, 07:24 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(matthepcat @ May 25 2016, 01:32 PM) Couple questions. 1. I think my rear mail seal is leaking,can I change it out with tranny pulled. 2.Yes I will for sure order a new throw out bearing. 3.Is there a how to pull tranny thread any where????.Ill start looking Now. 4.With the tranny pulled,is there anything I should check on while its out,maintenance stuff??? I will pull it on the weekend. Special tools needed ???I noticed a pilot thing do I need it????. Thanks Grant |
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| Frankvw |
May 26 2016, 08:52 AM
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working on my first 914 ! Group: Members Posts: 651 Joined: 13-April 16 From: Holland, the Netherlands Member No.: 19,896 Region Association: Europe |
excellent opportunity to do clutch and seals in one go !
Pilot thingie is to make sure the components are centred and if not....well....first you will have a hard time to install it back cause things don't line up and secondly... wear on parts IF you were able to get it back in uncentred....yes buy the 3 dollar plastic pilot thing. You want to replace the main seal so order that for sure plus the Flywheel O-ring and felt-ring if you have that. You can also replace the tranny seal at this point, if needed. They are cheap, but it is up to you. Check if needed if stuff is out. I saw threads to pull engine , like: http://www.914world.com/specs/tech_engdrop1.php but there is more....just look around |
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| Frankvw |
May 26 2016, 09:02 AM
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working on my first 914 ! Group: Members Posts: 651 Joined: 13-April 16 From: Holland, the Netherlands Member No.: 19,896 Region Association: Europe |
oh...besides the pilot tool, you will need a flywheel lock tool.
Take care when removing the old seal. The old seal can be a b*tch to get out, but you are gonna replace it, so you can take it out however you want since you are not going to re-use it. be CAREFULL for the case when removing it with force or tools. Just damage teh old seal and NOT the case. there are special tools to install the seal, to get it in even....but most people do not have it. They fabricated something themselves or use a flat object to get it in so it sits flat and even |
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| r_towle |
May 26 2016, 09:21 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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So,
You do need a clutch disk centering tool, but you could use a wooden dowel if you need to. You don't need a flywheel look tool , a screw driver will work, air tools work even better. You must remove the transmission to install the rear main seal. You must remove the clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel to install the rear main seal. You can use a correct piece of pipe or PVC to tap it in place. |
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| Geezer914 |
May 26 2016, 12:50 PM
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Geezer914 Group: Members Posts: 1,393 Joined: 18-March 09 From: Salem, NJ Member No.: 10,179 Region Association: North East States
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PVC pipe fittings at Home Depot or Lowes are your friend for tapping in seals and removing or installing center caps on aluminum wheels. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
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| mark04usa |
May 26 2016, 03:04 PM
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'70 1.7 Tangerine Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 14-September 09 From: Austin TX Member No.: 10,805 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Pilot tool comes with the Sachs kit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| catsltd |
May 26 2016, 04:41 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
Okay.Thanks to everyone I feel Im ready to go ahead.
Ill order the 3 piece kit that comes with throw out bearing. Also order new seals,and flywheel felt etc. Once I get it out Ill see how thing look. Thanks again,and hope everyone has a great weekend. Cheers Grant |
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