 Tranny pulled, Now what |
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| catsltd |
 Jun 26 2016, 05:56 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None  |
Pulled the tranny,Thanks for the help.
Pulled the pressure plate and clutch disc off,whats the problem. Im guessing the throw out bearing but sorry have no idea what to look for. Throw out bearing just slides on the shaft,no pressure,dont know what it might be missing,or what to look for. Suggestions would be great.   |
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| catsltd |
Jun 26 2016, 05:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
Couple more pictures.
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| catsltd |
Jun 26 2016, 06:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(catsltd @ Jun 26 2016, 07:59 PM)  Couple more pictures. Was driving the car,came to a light and car would not shift into gear without massive grind.felt like no clutch. Also felt like car was having problems moving,felt like a lot of friction,so i assumed my clutch disc went,but besides a bit of oil it looks good. Bearing seems to turn okay,sorry dont know what to do.??? |
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| rhodyguy |
Jun 26 2016, 06:23 PM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,098 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
There no spring or anything like that in there. That's all it does. Back and forth. Note the 2 black plastic pieces on the yoke. Plan new ones while you're in there. Get them when your buying the linkage bushings. You really need to fix the stripped set screw. You can't replace the firewall bushing with the front rod in place. There is no adj at the f/r connection point. It's fixed. You won't loose your current settings at that connection. Do all of your bushings, NOW. You do own a Haynes manual, yes?
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| catsltd |
Jun 26 2016, 06:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jun 26 2016, 08:23 PM) There no spring or anything like that in there. That's all it does. Back and forth. Note the 2 black plastic pieces on the yoke. Plan new ones while you're in there. Get them when your buying the linkage bushings. You really need to fix the stripped set screw. You can't replace the firewall bushing with the front rod in place. There is no adj at the f/r connection point. It's fixed. You won't loose your current settings at that connection. Do all of your bushings, NOW. You do own a Haynes manual, yes? I have haynes yes. just trying to figure out what happened and what do I need to replace????. The car shifts great,until I start it,then it wont shift into gear unless I force it. I was driving it when it happened,car was not slipping or anything??/ It looks like the original owner replaced the clutch,pressure plate,so why wont it shift into gear when runinng. I have no problem replacing all the parts while I have it torn open,but why wont it shift gears when running anymore???. \Do I need to do something else??/ |
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| matthepcat |
Jun 26 2016, 06:35 PM
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Meat Popsicle Group: Members Posts: 1,462 Joined: 13-December 09 From: Saratoga CA Member No.: 11,125 Region Association: Northern California |
Will it not shift into first gear while running or all gears?
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| iankarr |
Jun 26 2016, 06:41 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,482 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region 
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What you're describing sounds like it could be the clutch tube pulling away from the tunnel wall. Is the area around the firewall where the clutch tube exits intact? Did you hear a noise or feel something pull free when this happened?
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| Krieger |
Jun 26 2016, 06:48 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,731 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None
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You were pushing on the clutch pedal and it did not disengauge the engine. Kinda sounds like your clutch cable guide tube may have broken free from the tunnel or firewall. Clutch cable or the pulley on the side of the tranny. Look at where the clutch cable comes out of the firewall and then look inside the center tunnel where the cable comes out of the tube and goes to the pedal cluster. Both end should be welded/brazed to the firewall/ tunnel.
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| catsltd |
Jun 26 2016, 07:06 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(cuddyk @ Jun 26 2016, 08:41 PM) What you're describing sounds like it could be the clutch tube pulling away from the tunnel wall. Is the area around the firewall where the clutch tube exits intact? Did you hear a noise or feel something pull free when this happened? I did not feel or hear anything. I guess Ill try and look into the firewall.and see what i can see. Should I just put it back together??,then replace cable,bushings,etc. Should I replace my clutch etc while I have it apart??. Ill do what I have to to make sure it works,but dont really know what to do at this point. It looks like there is oil on the pressure plate and flywell is this normal,or is there a seal I should fix???,. Sorry for all the questions been searching on google and 914 but not getting much help,except from pelican artickle.on replacing clutch. I doubt I will be able to remove the front cone nut,if I do have to please let me know,as this is going to be a real bitch ,4 of the cv bolts were stripped,along with lots of exhaust stud bolts coming out,seaized exhaust nuts,etsc,etc. For sure never want to pull this apart again. |
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| 914itis |
Jun 26 2016, 07:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
The oil is coming from your seal . The seal is behind the throw out bearing.
You will see two 10 mn bolt there , remove them , pull the metal cap and you will see the seal there . They are available at pelican parts. Easy fix . |
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| cary |
Jun 26 2016, 08:09 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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1. Show us a picture of the shift rod bearing/bushing at the firewall.
2. Pull out the clutch cable to see if it is coming apart. But most times it's the clutch cable tube that has pulled away from the tunnel. You push on the clutch and all your doing is flexing the tube. Not moving the pressure plate. Therefore no shifting into gear. |
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| catsltd |
Jun 26 2016, 08:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(cary @ Jun 26 2016, 10:09 PM) 1. Show us a picture of the shift rod bearing/bushing at the firewall. 2. Pull out the clutch cable to see if it is coming apart. But most times it's the clutch cable tube that has pulled away from the tunnel. You push on the clutch and all your doing is flexing the tube. Not moving the pressure plate. Therefore no shifting into gear. Ill take some pictures tomorrow Thanks. Im done for 1 day. It sounds like the cable and where its coming out from the firewall. I already have a new clutch cable,and seal,so Ill take a look tomorrow and see whats up. The heat exchnagers were about 1/2 inch away from sealing onto the heads,so I am getting things fixed as I go. But it seems you fix 1 thing,and 2 more things show up. I honestly had almost given up on pulling the tranny,was a lot of work. Thanks to you guys I still feel I can fix it. Cheers and good Night. |
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Jun 26 2016, 08:50 PM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,304 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Great attitude.
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| cary |
Jun 26 2016, 08:50 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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IMO is easier to pull/drop the engine and transmission together. But people do it both ways.
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| cary |
Jun 26 2016, 08:53 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,900 Joined: 26-January 04 From: Sherwood Oregon Member No.: 1,608 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I concur with Curt. You stayed after and got it done. Congratulations.
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| dangrouche |
Jun 26 2016, 09:16 PM
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dangrouche Group: Members Posts: 550 Joined: 1-May 04 From: San Francisco Bay Area Member No.: 2,012 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(catsltd @ Jun 26 2016, 07:43 PM) QUOTE(cary @ Jun 26 2016, 10:09 PM) 1. Show us a picture of the shift rod bearing/bushing at the firewall. 2. Pull out the clutch cable to see if it is coming apart. But most times it's the clutch cable tube that has pulled away from the tunnel. You push on the clutch and all your doing is flexing the tube. Not moving the pressure plate. Therefore no shifting into gear. Ill take some pictures tomorrow Thanks. Im done for 1 day. It sounds like the cable and where its coming out from the firewall. I already have a new clutch cable,and seal,so Ill take a look tomorrow and see whats up. The heat exchnagers were about 1/2 inch away from sealing onto the heads,so I am getting things fixed as I go. But it seems you fix 1 thing,and 2 more things show up. I honestly had almost given up on pulling the tranny,was a lot of work. Thanks to you guys I still feel I can fix it. Cheers and good Night. keep the faith; its a 40-year old car, you must persevere and you will be repaid each time you drive it on a curvy road |
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| r_towle |
Jun 27 2016, 12:42 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,594 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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That one odd flywheel bolt bothers me.
1) it needs to be replaced with the correct bolt. 2) it would make me question everything else. |
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| TheCabinetmaker |
Jun 27 2016, 06:15 AM
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I drive my car everyday Group: Members Posts: 8,304 Joined: 8-May 03 From: Tulsa, Ok. Member No.: 666 |
Good catch rich. I did notice an odd bolt head but didn't look that close. I agree. Needs to be replaced with proper bolt.I probably have one I could donate.
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| catsltd |
Jun 27 2016, 06:36 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 7-June 15 From: Calgary Alberta Member No.: 18,814 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(The Cabinetmaker @ Jun 27 2016, 08:15 AM) Good catch rich. I did notice an odd bolt head but didn't look that close. I agree. Needs to be replaced with proper bolt.I probably have one I could donate. Thanks for the offer. I am going to order parts from pelican once I figure out what I need,so Ill order a new bolt if they have them. I am hoping to use the clutch etc thats in the car right now,just clean it up a bit,but replace everything else. Hopefully after work Ill have a chance to look into the clutch cable,tunnel thing,and see whats up. Grant |
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| iankarr |
Jun 29 2016, 05:03 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,482 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region
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Any updates?
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