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Hot Summer; Hot, Overheating V-8 Radiator Setup., Hot Summer; Hot, Overheating V-8 Radiator Setup. |
Chris H. |
Jul 28 2016, 06:34 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,024 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Throw that inline filler neck away that,s your problem. Way too hard to get all the air out of the system. Your trying to add water on the high pressure hose. Get a header tank and plump it up like the attached picture . For the record bob has done two v8 cars north of 400hp a suby 6 and my suby turbo....... his set up works.. And mine! Over the phone. That's exactly what was wrong with my car. You can't get all the air out with that setup. The high pressure will keep the air from escaping. Once I fixed that I never had a problem. |
BRAVE_HELIOS |
Jul 29 2016, 08:22 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
So; Iv'e been looking at the replies along with photos else where on this site. Let me know what you think...
1. I want to add a header tank and overflow to the front (radiator) side of the car. I will attempt to place it higher than the top of the rad. 2. In my pictures, note that I have T's on the HP and LP (High Pressure & Low Pressure) hoses near the radiator to carry coolant to the cabin blower/heater core. Also note that there is a petcock located on the top right side of the radiator. 3. I want to connect the bottom port of the expansion tank to the lower radiator hose somewhere/somehow in the front trunk area. Does it matter... between the rad and the heater core T or between the heater core T and the front trunk floor where the coolant hoses go under the car. 4. I want to connect the side port of the expansion tank to the rad petcock as my HP connection. 5. in the engine compartment; I will remove the (bad so bad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)) filler neck and replace it with a straight pipe/hose coupler. Good so far? What else in regard to adding a header tank? I read someone say to duplicate the setup in the engine bay. Over kill? Someone wrote about installing a 3/4 inch washer (somehow) in the HP hose right where the HP hose connects to the rad. How and why would you do that? Anyway... my steps 1-5 a good place to start? Here are some pictures I took today. The holes in the shroud are new... as a test top see if it made a difference. I think it did because in the past (with no holey shroud), it did not matter how cold it was outside; the temp would always go to 200 and beyond (have a 160 t-stat with bleed holes drilled and the fan is set to turn on at 180). After cutting the holes in the shroud, the temp would stay at around 180 (acceptable) although it was when it was cooler outside. Now in this 100 degree weather... it does not matter... it still get to 200 and beyond). The extra fans are from a Toyota 4-Runner AC condenser units and were mounted there temporarily to see if they made any difference in assisting the main fan exhaust air from the front area (they were wired to push air out). They did not work. What if I could place the radiator more vertically to allow a larger area in front of it (then shroud it too). Would that help any? Also; my temp sensor is mounted in a port right next to the t-stat/intake manifold. Post pics of the whole system please. |
Chris914n6 |
Jul 30 2016, 12:56 AM
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Jackstands are my life. Group: Members Posts: 3,287 Joined: 14-March 03 From: Las Vegas, NV Member No.: 431 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Confuchris say "Eureka you got it all wrong" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
The rad cap needs to be the highest point in the system, meaning in the engine bay. Run the heater hoses off the block in a stock like fashion. Route them thru the heater tube to the front. Use the petcock on the rad to bleed the front. Jack up that side of the car so the petcock is higher. The theory behind the expansion tank is to create a space above the water flow where air gets trapped, while making the trapped air the first pushed out into the overflow tank when the water heats up and expands. |
Cracker |
Jul 30 2016, 07:26 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
This is fairly easy to follow - your engine doesn't have a steam tube (I believe) but that is simple to eliminate. Good luck!
Tony |
Cracker |
Jul 30 2016, 07:26 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
This is from an old Renegade diagram but the basic location of items YOU have are easy to identify. If you have issues, PM me your cell and I'll be happy to walk you through this over the phone. Good luck!
Tony |
veekry9 |
Jul 30 2016, 07:52 AM
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OldMember Group: Retired Members Posts: 3,068 Joined: 17-June 13 From: TO Member No.: 16,025 Region Association: Canada |
The lines to the header tanks at each end are pressurized,1/4" will do. One from the top of the rad,another at the rear,both higher than the cylinder heads. The overflow/expansion tanks also that high,tho not necessarily. Any 'camel humps'in the lines will make a restricting vapour lock,limiting the flow. The hot line from the engine goes to the top neck on the rad,the low neck is the return to engine. Another consideration,verify that the return line is not collapsing from the pump's low pressure side. The electric pump idea is a good one,as an auxilary,for those highway jams,running airconditioning. The mechanical/vacuum/electric valve for the heater core is on the hot side line,for when you have the air on. The front header tank can be placed up high,near the base of the windshield. Wrapping and heatshielding the headers,and adding the two fans into the engine compartment,will knock down the heat there much better. That will dissipate the rad's requirements too,the LS radiating massive btu,the engine fan usually doing that job. Perhaps you're running cats as well as resonators and silencers,as the exhaust temps are then higher. Oil cooling in CA is a good idea too,pulls more heat out,allowing longer oil life. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) / Ducts,get some duct. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome...q=duct+air+flow https://www.google.ca/search?q=auto+radiato...tom+intercooler https://www.google.ca/search?q=auto+radiato...kZaa68wJiJxM%3A https://www.google.ca/search?q=composite+du...4nIdm18YCE6M%3A (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) / |
v82go |
Jul 30 2016, 09:29 AM
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Resident Contrarian Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: 9-December 04 From: Lakeland, Fl. Member No.: 3,250 |
This is the system I built for mine. The puke/de-airer tank is built from scrap 3"
alum. conduit tied into the low pressure side. The tank ends up being slightly higher than the block. I ran 1" alum conduit under the car for lines to the engine. I do not run a thermostat, it runs around 195 F. I don't turn on the fans until she reaches 180 or so. I also am using a belt driven (F-body) pump. It is my belief that most cooling issues are do to air trapped in the system. This cools my hopped up LS1 without issues. Good Luck! Bob Attached thumbnail(s) |
Chris H. |
Jul 30 2016, 09:51 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,024 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Nice setup Bob! Sorry to hijack but would you mind posting some more pics of your hood outlet? Underside and up top? Looks like a great alternative and nicely done. Is that the only hole you have for air exhaust (not that you need any more) ?
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veekry9 |
Jul 30 2016, 09:56 AM
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OldMember Group: Retired Members Posts: 3,068 Joined: 17-June 13 From: TO Member No.: 16,025 Region Association: Canada |
Looks good,tho I gotta ask.How does the air get there? Can't 'push'the bubbles down to vent the rad to the top tank. Might see an improvement,if you run a small line to the header tank. I've used ss,and not ss,brake lines in the past to vent steam pockets. Easy work,and simple. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I agree that the rigid lines forward are the way to go,a path through the longs perfect,if insulated. In the north,a thermostat is needed,mostly for emissions,warmup runs rich. / Venting the top of the rad is a good idea,no doubt about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
Chris H. |
Jul 30 2016, 10:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,024 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I think he said it's the highest point, low pressure side. Those are the keys. Might be the way the pic is angled that makes it look differently.
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Cracker |
Jul 30 2016, 10:40 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
This is not as complex as it may seem...it is also not necessary to install a tank in the front compartment. I believe you mentioned you have a petcock on the top of the radiator, correct? Use that to bleed the majority of air out of the system up front. Install a fill/expansion tank on the low pressure (return from the radiator) side of the system and higher than the intake/heads - whichever holds coolant at the highest point. I mentioned the advantage of an electric pump originally and I still stand by that as being the most efficient method for bleeding the cooling system. The mechanical pump obviously works but presents more challenges en route to success. Good luck.
PS:The use of a thermostat will also increase the difficulty of bleeding the system. Jack the car up in the rear, if necessary, to help evacuate the air. Tony |
v82go |
Jul 30 2016, 10:45 AM
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Resident Contrarian Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: 9-December 04 From: Lakeland, Fl. Member No.: 3,250 |
Hi
The puke tank is pressurized and since being higher than the block and radiator it is also where I fill the system, the radiator is a no fill type (no cap) and has a bleed petcock. I bleed the radiator when first filling and keep my tank about half full. It seems to self bleed. Some of the newer fords have a similar system with a plastic pressurized puke tank. And a pic or 2 for Chris. (sorry for the hijack) My last v8 car had the fender wells cut-out and while it worked, I think this does a better job with no weakening from the cut-outs and no hot air on your brakes. I cut the hole in the hood with my 4" grinder (cut-off wheel). I framed it in underneath with thin 1" flat bar tacked in and 4 studs to hold the perforated aluminum panel in. Bob Attached thumbnail(s) |
Chris H. |
Jul 30 2016, 11:09 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 4,024 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Chicago 'burbs Member No.: 73 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Thank you Bob! Very clean install. Nice work!
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Andyrew |
Jul 30 2016, 01:06 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Hi The puke tank is pressurized and since being higher than the block and radiator it is also where I fill the system, the radiator is a no fill type (no cap) and has a bleed petcock. I bleed the radiator when first filling and keep my tank about half full. It seems to self bleed. Some of the newer fords have a similar system with a plastic pressurized puke tank. And a pic or 2 for Chris. (sorry for the hijack) My last v8 car had the fender wells cut-out and while it worked, I think this does a better job with no weakening from the cut-outs and no hot air on your brakes. I cut the hole in the hood with my 4" grinder (cut-off wheel). I framed it in underneath with thin 1" flat bar tacked in and 4 studs to hold the perforated aluminum panel in. Bob Thats a clean install! I also found that the hood exhaust to be much more efficient than the fender exhaust. I however prefer the look of the clean hood so I went back to it a while ago. |
BIGKAT_83 |
Jul 30 2016, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,798 Joined: 25-January 03 From: Way down south Bogart,GA Member No.: 194 Region Association: South East States |
I cut a spare hood for a 2012 ford GT 500 hood vent. This is without even bolting the vent down. It looks like a perfect match of the 914 hood contour.
I had planned to use it,but found out it wasn't needed. When I get some extra time I may finish this up. |
cali914 |
Jul 30 2016, 06:23 PM
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cali914 Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 26-April 06 From: Berkeley Ca. Member No.: 5,934 Region Association: Northern California |
This is not as complex as it may seem...it is also not necessary to install a tank in the front compartment. I believe you mentioned you have a petcock on the top of the radiator, correct? Use that to bleed the majority of air out of the system up front. Install a fill/expansion tank on the low pressure (return from the radiator) side of the system and higher than the intake/heads - whichever holds coolant at the highest point. I mentioned the advantage of an electric pump originally and I still stand by that as being the most efficient method for bleeding the cooling system. The mechanical pump obviously works but presents more challenges en route to success. Good luck. PS:The use of a thermostat will also increase the difficulty of bleeding the system. Jack the car up in the rear, if necessary, to help evacuate the air. Tony Agree keep it simple drill to small holes in thermostat for bleeding purposes and make sure your fill is at the highest point of the system The two LS 914s are sweet. |
cali914 |
Jul 30 2016, 06:26 PM
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cali914 Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 26-April 06 From: Berkeley Ca. Member No.: 5,934 Region Association: Northern California |
I cut a spare hood for a 2012 ford GT 500 hood vent. This is without even bolting the vent down. It looks like a perfect match of the 914 hood contour. I had planned to use it,but found out it wasn't needed. When I get some extra time I may finish this up. Matches hood really well but opening does not seem large enough to exit air quick enough especially over 40mph |
Cracker |
Jul 30 2016, 07:29 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,148 Joined: 2-February 10 From: Atlanta (area) Member No.: 11,316 Region Association: South East States |
My car is a race car, more than anything else, and isn't as clean as some of your's but I've been happy with the efficiency of the "through the hood venting". I plan on opening it even more and adding a little more grill screen.
PS: I'm impressed with how clean V82GO cut his opening - talk about pressure with a cut off wheel! Great job Sir! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tony |
jdunn |
Jul 30 2016, 09:21 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: 17-April 11 From: southeast USA Member No.: 12,949 Region Association: South East States |
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cali914 |
Jul 30 2016, 11:48 PM
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cali914 Group: Members Posts: 447 Joined: 26-April 06 From: Berkeley Ca. Member No.: 5,934 Region Association: Northern California |
My car is a race car, more than anything else, and isn't as clean as some of your's but I've been happy with the efficiency of the "through the hood venting". I plan on opening it even more and adding a little more grill screen. PS: I'm impressed with how clean V82GO cut his opening - talk about pressure with a cut off wheel! Great job Sir! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tony What kind of temps are you running. |
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