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> Fuel check valve and the 3port fuel pump
brant
post Sep 10 2016, 07:54 AM
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I think there must be a check valve built into the 3 port djet pump

I believe mine is not working
(Hard starting symptoms)

Has anyone pulled theirs apart?

Pictures or a thread?

I'm also wondering if adding an in line check valve would work?
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post Sep 10 2016, 10:49 AM
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The pump itself acts as a check valve, at least to some extent. There is no specific check valve built in. There is a spring-loaded valve, but its intent is to bleed off overly high pressure from inside the pump back to the tank.

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post Sep 12 2016, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Sep 10 2016, 10:49 AM) *

The pump itself acts as a check valve, at least to some extent. There is no specific check valve built in. There is a spring-loaded valve, but its intent is to bleed off overly high pressure from inside the pump back to the tank.

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Dave,

I'm having a Djet problem where after the car has set for one minute (or even over night) it is hard to restart

cranking the starter for approximately 30 seconds works, and everything runs fine
turning the key on about 4 times, to prime the fuel system yields a totally normal quick start

(I can hear the pump run for the 1 second activation when the key is turned prior to engaging the starter)

Prior to this problem starting up, I had tested/rebuilt all of the injectors and verified fuel pressure

obviously I need to check the injectors again for a possible leak/failure and check the fuel pressure again

the only winter modifications in the induction system were new hoses and relocating the pump from the front belly pan area, to the just below the tank area (a la 1975 style)... so the pump moved about 10 inches higher into the chassis and I suppose that could effect the bleed back a little?

I was never boiling fuel or having a hard to start problem before
I verified fuel pressure after the fuel pump slight relocation

I'm wondering if a failed fuel pressure (stock style) regulator could fail and allow all of the sitting fuel pressure to bleed off down the return line too.

my current working theory is that
1) pressure is bleeding out an injector (although it doesn't seem rich when it starts)
2) pressure is bleeding out through the feed line or pump
3) pressure is bleeding out through the return line or stock style pressure regulator

I have not tested yet.
I will be able to test this weekend to verify that the pressure is bleeding off
but during the 1 second pump prime with the key on, I can hear the pump change tone as if it is re-pressurizing the system and this is what led me to the de-pressurized-system theory.

gas mileage is still 30 -34mpg on the highway so I doubt the injectors are leaking but need to verify.

thus my thoughts about a check valve.

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brant   Fuel check valve and the 3port fuel pump   Sep 10 2016, 07:54 AM
sixnotfour   its a pressure bypass , not a check valve Remembe...   Sep 10 2016, 08:03 AM
brant   Ok it's just a bypass So has anyone ever adde...   Sep 10 2016, 08:48 AM
sixnotfour   Ok it's just a bypass So has anyone ever add...   Sep 10 2016, 08:56 AM
Dave_Darling   The pump itself acts as a check valve, at least to...   Sep 10 2016, 10:49 AM
brant   The pump itself acts as a check valve, at least t...   Sep 12 2016, 10:22 AM
John   My suggestion would be to recheck the lines under ...   Sep 12 2016, 11:08 AM
Eric_Shea   Time for one of these: http://www.914world.com/bb...   Sep 12 2016, 11:12 AM
Elliot Cannon   I had an issue like that with a '79 911. It w...   Sep 12 2016, 11:13 AM
brant   I can easily pull the pump this weekend. I added a...   Sep 12 2016, 11:21 AM
John   From what I recall (this is from memory) on the 3 ...   Sep 12 2016, 07:30 PM
Dave_Darling   Definitely check the pressure. You're only sp...   Sep 12 2016, 08:35 PM
rhodyguy   Have you looked down the fill opening and glaced a...   Sep 13 2016, 12:51 PM
brant   Have you looked down the fill opening and glaced ...   Sep 13 2016, 01:02 PM
John   Just for giggles, you might want to check pressure...   Sep 13 2016, 07:14 PM
sixnotfour   put a 2 port pump in,, problem gone..the roller va...   Sep 13 2016, 08:25 PM
brant   put a 2 port pump in,, problem gone..the roller v...   Sep 13 2016, 09:02 PM
sixnotfour   put a 2 port pump in,, problem gone..the roller ...   Sep 13 2016, 09:15 PM
brant   Question I know the injectors fire in pairs Whe...   Sep 19 2016, 07:50 PM
brant   So Brad Anders website indicates their is a check ...   Sep 22 2016, 11:40 AM
BeatNavy   ◦Failed Check Valve: The check valve keeps the ...   Sep 22 2016, 01:22 PM
87m491   I don't know D-jet at all compared to my CIS c...   Sep 22 2016, 01:51 PM
brant   ◦Failed Check Valve: The check valve keeps the...   Sep 22 2016, 04:03 PM
BeatNavy   That sounds like exactly the same symptoms I too ...   Sep 22 2016, 06:09 PM
Dave_Darling   I too would love to know if a stock djet system m...   Sep 23 2016, 09:56 AM
brant   I too would love to know if a stock djet system ...   Sep 23 2016, 11:47 AM
BeatNavy   How do test the pressure regulator? It sits at 29...   Sep 23 2016, 12:17 PM
Dave_Darling   I think the references to "check valve" ...   Sep 23 2016, 04:27 PM
brant   I think the references to "check valve...   Sep 23 2016, 04:40 PM
brant   I fixed it Will keep testing after it cools down ...   Sep 23 2016, 07:32 PM
BeatNavy   Did you have to break open the pump to get to that...   Sep 24 2016, 05:56 AM
brant   Some details I may get a better picture when I ge...   Sep 25 2016, 09:22 AM


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