Hats. We need hats ... Options

[SirAndy]

And by hats i mean 914world.com baseball caps. Good quality and good design.

Anyone?
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[Tom_T]

If Steve's contact can't do it, then maybe try Mike 911cuda in San Diego who had a local shop do those nice 914 silhouette hats last year.

However, I'll say now that I thought that the original font on the 914 world logo was much much better, & I'd prefer to see it go to a stock or modified stock closer to that look for both the hats & badges etc., & for the website.

It just looked more "914" than the "pointy" font now used.

I don't know if Porsche set their "legal beagles" on you Andy to change it, but perhaps there is a way to get "official permission" to use a font closer to the original, if they did threaten you with legal action.

Perhaps the PCA could mediate or offer some advice or assistance on it too?

I'll be in Atlanta on a biz trip at the beginning of November, if you'd like me to meet with somebody at PCNA face-to-face, but you should prearrange with whom & what you want presented then. You can email or PM me for my cell # if you want to discuss it further.

JMHO, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom
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[SirAndy]

However, I'll say now that I thought that the original font on the 914 world logo was much much better, & I'd prefer to see it go to a stock or modified stock closer to that look for both the hats & badges etc., & for the website.
It just looked more "914" than the "pointy" font now used.
I don't know if Porsche set their "legal beagles" on you Andy to change it, but perhaps there is a way to get "official permission" to use a font closer to the original, if they did threaten you with legal action.

Did you just volunteer to convince the lawyers at PCNA to let us use the Porsche font again?
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[Tom_T]

However, I'll say now that I thought that the original font on the 914 world logo was much much better, & I'd prefer to see it go to a stock or modified stock closer to that look for both the hats & badges etc., & for the website.
It just looked more "914" than the "pointy" font now used.
I don't know if Porsche set their "legal beagles" on you Andy to change it, but perhaps there is a way to get "official permission" to use a font closer to the original, if they did threaten you with legal action.

Did you just volunteer to convince the lawyers at PCNA to let us use the Porsche font again?
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Well yes, I believe I just did Andy - or at least to try talking to them about it on a prelim basis, if you have the specific person to talk to about it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Note that I am NOT a lawyer, but after 46+ years in the real estate/development industry & running my own business for 33+ years, I have dealt with my share of lawyers & negotiations.

However, it sounds like the overall font is in the public domain according to Mike Fitton - just as are Helvetica, Microgramma (which is close the Porsche & 914 font), etc. - so it should not be an issue.

"The type font used for the original "914" badges is in the public domain Porsche does not own it. Now the Porsche name that is a different story.

Mike Fitton"

And then again, there are other not-for-profit ways around the use, as euro911/Mark says below....

"Make them up with the real PORSCHE font, and state that any monetary transactions would be considered 'donations' ... not sales - then the lawyers can pound sand cool_shades.gif

Mark S..."

If Mike is correct, then there is/was no reason to change the font on 914world, but I haven't researched this like you others may have.

Andy, you've got my PM/email contact info, & I'll be going to the new PCNA HQ & Experience Center this trip, since I missed out in May when my tooth blew-up & I had to fly home for an emergency (redo) root canal & missed going in.

So - as I said above - PM/email me for my cell # & we can talk when mutually convenient, if you want to pursue the PCNA avenue. I'm not getting email updates on this post, so you'll have to contact me directly to carry my volunteering any further.

Again, my vote would be for a multi-color embroidery of the original 914club grill badge - updated to 914world - or very similar to this one below, for the hats. The new badge design which Mark/914Rubber has is nice, but lacks the "real" 914 font of these old school ones. But I'd say do the "914world.com" script at the top in the correct 914 font too (not the pointy one used now).

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Or even just update the new one with the "correct" 914 font & 914world in that same font (assuming the font is open source domain).

But I'm too old school to want one of the Millennials'-style hard structured hats with the dead flat bill as shown above, as I like my hats bills with a curve to keep the sun out of my eyes - not to look "Gangsta"! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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Tom
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[SirAndy]

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Oh boy, some people just don't get it.

I really don't care if someone on the internet thinks this or that is public domain and thus open to fair use, blah blah blah.

You know what i *do* care about?
The certified letters from the PCNA lawyers to me personally about 914world.com and the unauthorized use of their trademarks.

I *really* don't give a rats ass what you or any other arm chair lawyer thinks.
If we're going to do 914world hats they will *NOT* have any Porsche trademarks on them.
Simple as that, no discussion.


Now, on to actually making hats:

- Good quality hats, no cheap crap
- Pre-bend, can't stand the flat crap
- 914world.com should be on there somewhere

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[Tom_T]

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Oh boy, some people just don't get it.

I really don't care if someone on the internet thinks this or that is public domain and thus open to fair use, blah blah blah.

You know what i *do* care about?
The certified letters from the PCNA lawyers to me personally about 914world.com and the unauthorized use of their trademarks.

I *really* don't give a rats ass what you or any other arm chair lawyer thinks.
If we're going to do 914world hats they will *NOT* have any Porsche trademarks on them.
Simple as that, no discussion.

Hey Andy,

I didn't mean to touch a sensitive nerve with you, but rather, had offered to help out with that issue.

I actually do "get it" - & do in fact know something about dealing with copyrights, trademarks & servicemarks as a businessman with several myself, & about the process to both get & defend same.

I also did not know that you did have any official communication from them yet, by certified mail or otherwise - just that it came up a while back.

So I was just offering to talk with somebody at PCNA to explore where they had concerns & how you could proceed to use something - NOT to "armchair lawyer" for you.

If you got an official cease & desist letter from Porsche AG/PCNA/their lawyers, then it should be handled any further by a properly qualified attorney familiar with trademarks & service marks.

IF you would like some professional attorney assistance on a Pro Bono basis as a non-profit (i.e.: FREE), then I'd be happy to check for you with my business contacts in Atlanta (since PCNA's HQ is there), to see if I can find anyone willing to lend a hand pro bono. Of course, their advice may still be no - or maybe that it's possible to use the "914" in the original font, or maybe for 914world too, &/or that the cost to do so may be prohibitive (e.g.: the cost to do & maintain an NFP LLC 401.c.3, etc.), even if you could eventually get permission.

They can best advise you at this point on which aspects of their model numbers & font is or is not Trademarked, since corporate attorneys are well know to overstate what they actually have covered by registration.

If you just don't want to mess with it any further, then I understand that too.

Ergo, I won't do/say anything to outsiders without your go ahead. You can PM me for my cell # if you want to talk further about this matter.

I just don't like big corporations trying to bully around the little guys, & all too often overstepping what their intellectual/service property rights protections really are covering! I've been there myself for my business & prevailed with legal assistance.

And Porsche sells a lot of parts to 914world members, so they benefit from it's existence!

In the future though - it is really preferable to respectfully decline an offer to help, with any relevant facts on the matter - rather than insulting & slamming the person offering such help.

Over & Out Chief! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom
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