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[914_teener]

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I want a 914 World hat.

What that means:

One with a pre curved bill
One with the 914 World logo on it.
One with quality...not cheap crap.
One without a rainbow and unicorn on it.


Can we have one with the LA Dodgers logo on the back as well?

I got in trouble here for being to snarky....I never learn.

I know we have a poster somewhere around......

[ConeDodger]

And by hats i mean 914world.com baseball caps. Good quality and good design.
Anyone?
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Run out of sunblock Andy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

No, but i have been asked about 914world hats by several people in the last few weeks.
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I figured. In 12 years I've never seen you in a hat... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[76-914]

Air you dirty laundry somewhere else.

Zach (the admin that just edited this post)

[Tom_T]

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Oh boy, some people just don't get it.

I really don't care if someone on the internet thinks this or that is public domain and thus open to fair use, blah blah blah.

You know what i *do* care about?
The certified letters from the PCNA lawyers to me personally about 914world.com and the unauthorized use of their trademarks.

I *really* don't give a rats ass what you or any other arm chair lawyer thinks.
If we're going to do 914world hats they will *NOT* have any Porsche trademarks on them.
Simple as that, no discussion.

Hey Andy,

I didn't mean to touch a sensitive nerve with you, but rather, had offered to help out with that issue.

I actually do "get it" - & do in fact know something about dealing with copyrights, trademarks & servicemarks as a businessman with several myself, & about the process to both get & defend same.

I also did not know that you did have any official communication from them yet, by certified mail or otherwise - just that it came up a while back.

So I was just offering to talk with somebody at PCNA to explore where they had concerns & how you could proceed to use something - NOT to "armchair lawyer" for you.

If you got an official cease & desist letter from Porsche AG/PCNA/their lawyers, then it should be handled any further by a properly qualified attorney familiar with trademarks & service marks.

IF you would like some professional attorney assistance on a Pro Bono basis as a non-profit (i.e.: FREE), then I'd be happy to check for you with my business contacts in Atlanta (since PCNA's HQ is there), to see if I can find anyone willing to lend a hand pro bono. Of course, their advice may still be no - or maybe that it's possible to use the "914" in the original font, or maybe for 914world too, &/or that the cost to do so may be prohibitive (e.g.: the cost to do & maintain an NFP LLC 401.c.3, etc.), even if you could eventually get permission.

They can best advise you at this point on which aspects of their model numbers & font is or is not Trademarked, since corporate attorneys are well know to overstate what they actually have covered by registration.

If you just don't want to mess with it any further, then I understand that too.

Ergo, I won't do/say anything to outsiders without your go ahead. You can PM me for my cell # if you want to talk further about this matter.

I just don't like big corporations trying to bully around the little guys, & all too often overstepping what their intellectual/service property rights protections really are covering! I've been there myself for my business & prevailed with legal assistance.

And Porsche sells a lot of parts to 914world members, so they benefit from it's existence!

In the future though - it is really preferable to respectfully decline an offer to help, with any relevant facts on the matter - rather than insulting & slamming the person offering such help.

Over & Out Chief! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom
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[Tom_T]

FYI all - This font which Mike Fitton posted the link to, appears to be a separate font created by a third party, & therefore outside of any Porsche trademarks. Of course a quick check on the US Copyright Office website can confirm this as fact or fiction.

http://www.dafont.com/914.font

Assuming the copyright checks out as legit, then there is no reason why it couldn't be used by any of us for the stated non-commercial uses - however, hat or pin sales would be commercial. The owner of the copyright could grant commercial use for them himself, if he so chose to do so.

In most cases on which I've been advised, the challenge from someone like Porsche would go to that copyright owner first - which they had their chance at the time of copyright approval.

IF they later prevailed on a subsequent challenge, then they could send notices to any users of the font that they have defeated the copyright, & that the font can no longer be used (I have no idea if that was in the above noted letters to Andy about 914world's use, nor if he was using this other font).

This is according to what legal advice I've had from my business legal counsel in the past on similar legal matters, & from my MBA business law classes.

I only post this for the benefit of the others on here who are making the hats, etc. & using this font (or similar non-Porsche font) - & not to further bother Andy. Mike & some others using it are my friends, & I'd like them to have the info.

JMHO from this "armchair lawyer" ;-) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Tom
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[SirAndy]

which aspects of their model numbers & font is or is not Trademarked

Way ahead of you. Why do you think we got a new 914world logo a while back?
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[Mueller]

which aspects of their model numbers & font is or is not Trademarked

Way ahead of you. Why do you think we got a new 914world logo a while back?
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Too funny, just noticed that now!

[Elliot Cannon]

I think we might have the makings of a ''reality show here". Such drama, intrigue, dirty laundry, taco sauce!! "914 World Survivor". On FOX. I might even turn my TV on for that one. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[VaccaRabite]

Tom,
Its an issue which has been put to bed, and the entire admin team wants to keep it that way. We need to keep even the impression of infringing on PCNA's IP off our site and out of anything with our name on it.

Thanks
Zach

[yerpants]

I LOVE this admin crew! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) Tom_T leading the charge to straighten out Porsche and let the fans properly appreciate the marque. The man is willing to march into the bears den and draw Porsche's attention to his team's little site. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) They will wish they had to have an emergency root canal and fly OME and not getti have the Porsche experience. Sorry this thread is very confusing but I'm sure Tom and Andy and Zach will figure it all out and we will have our hats available soon with a bill that I can bend however I want. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

[7TPorsh]

Since it's a "club". Can't we buy Hats that are already licensed and just embroider the 914world logo on?

Embroidery machines run off an odd file type. You have to program the angle of the stitches, etc. Maybe somebody creates this file and let anyone go and do what they want.

Only cost me $15 to add my name and 914 on each side of my Porsche hat.

[yeahmag]

+1 for a 914 beer helmet.

[My 914]

Make them up with the real PORSCHE font, and state that any monetary transactions would be considered 'donations' ... not sales - then the lawyers can pound sand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)

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Also I like the "Prebent" hat as well.

This is the current hat that I grabbed from the Porsche factory museum while I was there. Really like this one.

I really like this hat as well. One of the nicest Porsche hats I've seen. Is it OK to take a hat like this and embroider the patch or badge on it, say on the front or side?

[Mike Fitton]

If we are stuck with the current 914World logo how about something like this? I wouldn't buy one but at least you won't a get letter from PCNA.

[Spoke]

I like this 914 world logo. Is this one TM'ed?

[Madswede]

Sheesh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Let's keep it simple. Andy's specs for the hats a few posts ago are likely the majority - bent bill, high quality baseball caps. Men's and Women's seems appropriate.

Outline (if allowed) or the fancy outline (post #28 - again, if allowed) seem to be hard to argue with.

Existing 914-globe-WORLD logo we all see on the top left of this webpage somewhere on the hat.

Can someone come up with a cost of a run of those in maybe two colors? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Can't please all the people all the time, so why try? Go for a majority.

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[oldschool]

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[carcus]

I want one in black with a white logo stitched. Let me know.

[My 914]

I like this 914 world logo. Is this one TM'ed?

I like this as well and think it would look good on a hat. Does anyone know if it is available as a downloadable file somewhere?

[76-914]

Air you dirty laundry somewhere else.

Zach (the admin that just edited this post)

You call it "dirty laundry" I call it a "heads up" for unsuspecting members. These were decals for a 914 function just as these hats will be for 914 members. So we're not supposed to advise against rip offs any more? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boid.gif) I notice you allowed Paul to rip Rich w/o intervention. I call (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif)