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> 72' flared and slanted with 215 turbo V8, First 914
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:01 PM
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Well for better or worse I couldn't resist this craigslist find, I am sure it will take a bit of work but hoping it is worth it!
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Pick it up this weekend. The dash is interesting
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I am near Portland and evidently it was built in Oregon and the engine was built by Hatch Racing Engines in Aumsville, OR, I have the original build sheet which I will post
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:11 PM
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Neat looking car. More pics please- the engine and turbo set up?
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:15 PM
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The engine build sheet is attached.
Attached File  HATCH_SPEC_SHEETS_914.pdf ( 819.66k ) Number of downloads: 81


they have a s.s. o-ringed Crower A5804 special turbo cammed which has 114 degrees of lobe seperation which is good for turbos and gives a broad mid range. They dropped the compression to 7.78 which likely means they are going to be running significant boost. Since they syainless steel o-ringed the cylinder head I am expecting quite a fair amount of boost, ~10-14 pounds, they used a buick aluminum V-8 & turbocharged it in a draw through setup, ( I'M curious to see what kind of seal is in the turbo. I believe electronic water /methonal injection is also used and there is a poppet valve on the back side and a manifold gauge..

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post Dec 9 2016, 10:25 PM
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Neat looking car. More pics please- the engine and turbo set up?


Hopefully I will have the car home this weekend and take some pics, these came from the seller
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post Dec 9 2016, 10:48 PM
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Last one. any info, especially on which body kit this is would be appreciated. Attached Image
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post Dec 10 2016, 03:18 PM
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That should be fun, if you have access to E85 you can run way more boost that measly 10psi, even without you can run more than that.
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post Dec 10 2016, 04:52 PM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) sort of.

With out knowing the real compression ratio of the engine, that is just a guess.

That being said, E85 will certainly make that easier, but you will have to reset that carb. replace fuel system pieces to be compatible with E85 and a whole list of other oddities that E85 bring.

If doing E85 do yourself a favor, go EFI, add an intercooler, and boast the living (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) out of it, and then hang on (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Dec 10 2016, 05:09 PM
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My next move would be to put throttle bodies on it and efi.
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post Dec 10 2016, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(vanderpol @ Dec 9 2016, 08:48 PM) *

Last one. any info, especially on which body kit this is would be appreciated.

This isn't a kit. The guy built this car. Those flares are all metal. I know this car a little. It was from Monmouth when I met the guy. He brought it to my first 914 get together I put on. It was called the PNW914meet & I had it at my pizza parlor in Monmouth. I think it was in 1997 or 98. It was a well built car. I had thought about trying to get up & see it when I saw it on CL. Just didn't get the time too.

Congrats on the buy. Should be one quick ride. I'll be curious to hear more once you pick it up
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post Dec 10 2016, 05:43 PM
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Even on W/M, 10psi is a lot for no intercooler, He's probably got it tuned for pig rich to compensate and prevent pinging.

The first thing I would do would be to put a turbo blanket on that thing and build some heat shields for the exhaust manifolds. Turbo's spool up faster when they are warm and have hot air through them. Ambient hot air from the exhaust will cause for warm air through the intake, thus decreasing your power. This will also protect things better in your engine bay from the heat.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-T3-Titanium-Tu...nYL&vxp=mtr


Next is go through all that loose wiring and protect it from anything exhaust related.

Adding an air to water intercooler would be a good idea, space is limited so a simple log might be all you can get away with. This will again get you colder air into the turbo making more power efficiently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-13-75-x4-...1rA&vxp=mtr
(You'll need a small radiator and pump for this...)


It looks like a well put together car. Congrats! Welcome to the turbo club!
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post Dec 10 2016, 06:20 PM
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I like it. Good deal and congrats. Should be a blast to drive.
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post Dec 11 2016, 06:29 AM
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It is also running water injection, keep that tank filled! Nice thing about water injection, combustion chambers are uber clean. That constant steam cleaning makes things very nice. The bad, when you let the water run out, bad things can happen. Keep it filled!!

Wiring would be the first thing if the car drives fine in your opinion. Ye EFI is you friend, but if the thing is running well, drive it and enjoy it. Lots of things can be fixed, but its your ride, enjoy it.

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post Dec 11 2016, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Dec 10 2016, 01:18 PM) *

That should be fun, if you have access to E85 you can run way more boost that measly 10psi, even without you can run more than that.


At 7.78:1 static for great mid rpm band performance I think you are going to want your boost coming in pretty early, lets see how it drives , I am going to focus on that and see where it leads..
It seems it has electronic water/methanol injection so I would think even on pump gas on a 7.78:1 should hit 12.5-14.5 psi, online calculators for 12 psi yield 350 hp
For 19.5 psi you have 450 hp.

Weight/hp On line calculators :
http://www.060calculator.com/
914 350 hp 0-60 3.3 secs
914 450 hp 0-60 2.7 secs

your mileage will definitely vary, but mid band response is more critical to me. Again I haven't driven it due to inclement weather screwing up my travel plans so waiting to get it here and dig into it..
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post Dec 12 2016, 08:25 AM
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Wow, a lot of work went into this car. Cool outlaw.
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post Dec 24 2016, 08:21 PM
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Wow, a lot of work went into this car. Cool outlaw.


Ok I have it in the garage and the automotive archeology has begun.
Somethings great, some bad, some like the wiring, a bit unreal & under immediate reconfiguration.

New pictures soon
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post Dec 24 2016, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(vanderpol @ Dec 9 2016, 08:48 PM) *

Last one. any info, especially on which body kit this is would be appreciated.

This isn't a kit. The guy built this car. Those flares are all metal. I know this car a little. It was from Monmouth when I met the guy. He brought it to my first 914 get together I put on. It was called the PNW914meet & I had it at my pizza parlor in Monmouth. I think it was in 1997 or 98. It was a well built car. I had thought about trying to get up & see it when I saw it on CL. Just didn't get the time too.

Congrats on the buy. Should be one quick ride. I'll be curious to hear more once you pick it up



In the garage, it has had some rough times but repairable. more pics later...
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post Dec 24 2016, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ Dec 10 2016, 03:43 PM) *

Even on W/M, 10psi is a lot for no intercooler, He's probably got it tuned for pig rich to compensate and prevent pinging.

The first thing I would do would be to put a turbo blanket on that thing and build some heat shields for the exhaust manifolds. Turbo's spool up faster when they are warm and have hot air through them. Ambient hot air from the exhaust will cause for warm air through the intake, thus decreasing your power. This will also protect things better in your engine bay from the heat.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-T3-Titanium-Tu...nYL&vxp=mtr


Next is go through all that loose wiring and protect it from anything exhaust related.

Adding an air to water intercooler would be a good idea, space is limited so a simple log might be all you can get away with. This will again get you colder air into the turbo making more power efficiently.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALUMINUM-13-75-x4-...1rA&vxp=mtr
(You'll need a small radiator and pump for this...)


It looks like a well put together car. Congrats! Welcome to the turbo club!


Intercooolers on draw through turbo systems is a very dangerous NO GO. Do NOT ever recommend that when the carb is in front of the turbo!



The turbo lag on this system, a draw through 650cfm 218 CID sporting a RAJAY EE 2.24 turbine with a A/Roof 1.3 has ONLY ONE SOLUTION:

That is the clutch and a down shift at WOT and a snap shift at two Mississippi as all hell is braking loose; no other real solution.

in the late seventies I drove a 23 PSI turbocharged race gas corvair engine through many off road races, it works well enough with practice, even in hard chop sandwash sideways exit type scenarios, but these days that kind of behavior on public roads in this car may have significant financial and legal repercussions :...

I will get into my options later but until you can size the carb to the N/A airflow you will never have anything but real lag going from N/A/ to boost, so either love it or go modern:
E.g. Put the carb in front of the turbo, keep the N/A AF ratio around 13.5:1 and and the timing correctly advanced, then an intercooler and a modern small A/R ratio with trim and a double pumper 450cfm holley with boost referenced power valve, the boost timing system set correctly.....
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post Dec 25 2016, 11:54 PM
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Didnt even think about the draw through aspect. So used to MPFI!

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post Dec 26 2016, 12:38 AM
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QUOTE(Andyrew @ Dec 25 2016, 10:54 PM) *

Didnt even think about the draw through aspect. So used to MPFI!

You generally want flames to come out the tailpipes. Not so much exploding inside the turbo but I've seen systems set up like that. What was that Molly Hatchet song - Flirtin' with Disaster?! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)
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Ya, Im pretty sure fuel injection would be on my short list for this setup.
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