NOT OFFICIAL - Just wondering, WCC06 Portland or Vegas Options

[AZ914]

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Maybe it will work next year for ME, but I'm afraid I will have to leave my teener in Austria ...

If you come, I'm sure somebody would loan you a car for the weekend!

[ThinAir]

QUOTE (VegasRacer @ Apr 29 2005, 03:32 AM)

It is scheduled to be completed by the end of the year.

That makes Vegas sound very inviting for 2007.

I've never driven on a track, but that one sure looks like it could be fun!

[SirAndy]

alright, let me shed some light on a few things ...

first, there is *NO* 914club. like rich said, no official club, no dues & fees, no bylaws, no officers, nada, zilch and nothing.
this is a website run by individuals who happen to be crazy enough to like those little cars.
we simply provide a platform for all you 914 nuts out there.


Howard: "WCC05 was not a 914club event. It was a party thrown by a dozen local people for their 914 friends"
right. and wrong. if you follow my description above the 914club is made of individuals and their friends, therefore WCC 05 *was* a 914club event. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif)

Howard: "Their instructors (unpaid) really helped make our track day possible. They contributed more to WCC2005 than the 914club did."
exactly! because there is no 914club. no organization, no rulebooks, no president with connections to other porsche organizations, no event coordinator, no roadmap for putting on a WCC ...

Howard: "If 06 is to be a 914club event, then admin should handle it."
huh? the admins are just that, volunteers that keep this *website* up and running and make sure you guys get your daily 914club dosage.
none of the current admins has any experience putting on such a event. the admins don't "own" the 914club.
they don't have any special privileges. they don't get paid for their work. remember, there is no "914 Club"!
i'm not sure how an admin could have helped ...

Howard: "I had to sign for and guarantee the Hotel, Track, Paramount Ranch, and food services. In addition, I purchased a $2mil Liability policy for the event."
it is individuals like you that step up to the plate and make things happen. i applaud you for all the hard work you put in to make the WCC 05 such a great event. i applaud all the other individuals that helped you with this event, you know who you are, thank you!
and that brings me back to my first bullet point. there is no 914club!
the 914club can't help you set up WCC 06 because there is no 914club. there are certain individuals that will be able and willing to help, but don't expect help from "the club" as a organization, because there is no 914club.


am i getting my point across here?
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Andy

[Joe Bob]

so where did the track fees go?

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[ArtechnikA]

QUOTE ("Z" @ Apr 29 2005, 01:01 PM)

so where did the track fees go?

seems pretty clear to me.

Howard, personally, rented the track, paid for the insurance, and then 'sublet' the right to use the facility to the subscribers who paid track fees.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE ("Z" @ Apr 29 2005, 10:01 AM)

so where did the track fees go?

from my understanding (if i heard Howard correctly) about 50% of the entrance fees went to the special olympics, the rest, together with the money from the sponsors, went into paying for the meals, events, trackfees, insurance and such.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wink.gif) Andy

[CptTripps]

I think keeping 914club a 'non club' is the best way to do it. We had something similar for a local RC track. The daay after we made it a 'real club' (against many of our suggestions) there was nothing but problems. It went through 3 presidents, and I think somewhere around $50K was stolen over the course of 3 years.

Keep it a website, and keep awesome people stepping up to the plate to give of their time, and you can't go wrong.

If it IS in Vegas next year, I think we all need to chip in and get the Admins (and Howard) some 'special' time at the Bunny Ranch. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[ThinAir]

Following all these discussions about what it took to put on WCC2005 makes me appreciate even more what Howard and the other organizers did. Even though I could not attend, as a 914 owner I benefit just from the fact that the event happened.

Andy's comments about no "914Club" got me to wondering - should there be a legal entity for WCC? Not 914World.com, but a separate entity like "West Coast Classic, LLC". The event would actually be put on by this organization in the future and 914World.com would be listed as a sponsor for providing the web resources for organizing and advertising the event.

I don't see that such an arrangement would change the nuts & bolts of how an event gets put together. It would still depend upon someone in a particular location who was willing to step up and lead it for a given year. What it might do is to provide the legal umbrella for when such a thing is needed.

Just a thought.

[CptTripps]

QUOTE (ErnieDV @ Apr 29 2005, 02:14 PM)

I don't see that such an arrangement would change the nuts & bolts of how an event gets put together. It would still depend upon someone in a particular location who was willing to step up and lead it for a given year. What it might do is to provide the legal umbrella for when such a thing is needed.

I think that'd be a real quick way to make a bunch of enemies out of all of us.

MHO: Keep it the way it is...

[Joe Bob]

Geeez,,,,what a bunch of joke challenged yaaaahooos.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

[ArtechnikA]

QUOTE (ErnieDV @ Apr 29 2005, 02:14 PM)

a separate entity like "West Coast Classic, LLC".

the upside is that this entity could actually have a working treasury to 'prime the pump' for an event - placing deposits, buying promotional materials, phone calls, postage...

the downside is that "all you gotta do" is get an attorney to form the Limited Liability corporation, elect officers, file a tax return every year, maintain a bank account, establish an audit procedure, and follow all the rules of a (presumptively) non-profit organization.

(despite having a couple-three million $ in assets, PCA National is a nonprofit...)

[Joe Bob]

Get a pro to do it.....Bob Campbell on the 356 Registry does a few events a year...dunno if he would do one out of state but I'm sure that one could be found near a venue. Or even get one from PCA....not like they don't have anyone on staff...plus the events HAVE a track record of X amount of attendees.

The fee would be like 10-15% higher but there would be no head ache....

[Mrs. K]

I am sure that Portland is beautiful....but I know this group would have such a blast in Vegas! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/w00t.gif)
Besides, I am sure there is much less "rain" in the desert!

IMHO

Lisa (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif)

[Yoei66]

Portland is actually in a severe drought situation. We had a dryer winter her than both LA and Vegas.

Future results may vary.

[sportlicherFahrer]

I vote Portland. Nice area, good temps for tracks(on the right day), not a huge tourism spot, along with other perks. It is also just a few hours drive from home. Not to mention it puts the Coast in WCC. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[AndyC]

I vote Rugby, think about it we have Silverston, Brans Hatch and Donnington all with in a reasonable distance, Santa pod Drag Strip + there is historic Stratford so everyone could learn about Shakespears home and Birmingham so everyone could get confused by the accent and have their cas stolen. If not then Vegas Baby lets loose some money (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif)

[xitspd]

Andy,

What about Blackpool? We could all freeze our bollocks off in the tower! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ohmy.gif)

[Howard]

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Apr 29 2005, 10:57 AM)

Howard: "If 06 is to be a 914club event, then admin should handle it." huh? the admins are just that, volunteers that keep this *website* up and running and make sure you guys get your daily 914club dosage. none of the current admins has any experience putting on such a event. the admins don't "own" the 914club. they don't have any special privileges. they don't get paid for their work. remember, there is no "914 Club"! i'm not sure how an admin could have helped ... the 914club can't help you set up WCC 06 because there is no 914club. there are certain individuals that will be able and willing to help, but don't expect help from "the club" as a organization, because there is no 914club. am i getting my point across here? (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Andy

Point across very well, and I applaud you guys for the BBS.

But when I started to plan WCC05 I was expecting some input from the 'club'. None came. No problem, but I noticed Brad's post on the 'club' hiring a professional planner for 06. Not a bad idea, but it did sound like the 'club' did want to get involved.

Personal feelings here, and you can certainly delete this, but only one admin paid admission to the event. I had hoped one of you would speak, or get more involved, etc., so that was my reference in defense of the POC being 'a pain in the ass'.

On the money situation. All funds received went into a trust account, and bills have been paid from that account as received. Some of the stuff was on credit cards and not billed yet. Some things I have not yet received the bill.

I will post the final results as soon as all these bills are received and paid, but the rough numbers are:

$19,000 received from entry fees and sponsor donations and $13,500 expenses. So we will be donating ~$5500 to Special Olympics. This will done in a public presentation that will get (at least) local media.

[SirAndy]

QUOTE (Howard @ Apr 29 2005, 03:51 PM)

but only one admin paid admission to the event.

and only one admin paid $1000 for the event brochures out of his own pocket ...
everyone get a magic marker and add my name on the back of your WCC t-shirts as a sponsor!

i suck as a public speaker (or karaoke singer), that's why i was hiding on both occasions ...
besides, you never asked ...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Andy

[Brad Roberts]

I wasnt even sure if I was attending the event until the day before.

Howard,

if you wanted us to say something.. you should have asked. I knew we had little to NO involvement..so "saying" anything didnt feel right. We have NO idea what we are doing. We do know that a lot of people like to gather in 1 common place a few times a year, and we use THIS BBS to help bring the people together. I wish I could have helped JeffB with the 04 event.. instead I built cars for the event so people could attend. I wish I could have helped you with this years event.. but we dont know what we are doing. This is all being "winged" by volunteers. I would love to bring in some pro's to help out (and I will if you keep complaining) When you use the words "suckers" it really really drives people from trying to hold events/gatherings. Why is it Sean and others can hold similar events and not piss and moan ?

You did an awesome job.. I know you didnt like the WCC04 because the "NorCal" guy's didnt hang out with the SoCal Guys.. some of us lived close by.. we didnt need to stay in the hotel. Again.. nobody knew what to do or how to do it.. The events will get better, but only if the volunteers have a deep rooted passion for the cars.

It would be awesome if the 914club could "fund" these events. How do we get it to that point ? I dont know how. I have some idea's.. and I'm actively searching for someone who can tell us what the next step should be.