Nothing official here, just giving us a place to cast some votes, watch how it goes.

Nothing against Portland...but Vegas is closer and I can take the kids, they would have entertainment and the wife won't complain as much.....

I vote Portland, not just to be contrary to "Z" but because I'm more into scenery and greenery than smoking and gambling (which is how I still perceive Vegas).

Although if we do Vegas we could have a CSI type tech session

I was new to the club in 04 and we couldn't swing the time to go to WCC05, but we WILL go in 06'. Really, either one I would go to, but I like the Portland area, voted for that. But Vegas is cool too.

Only 10 votes so far? Everyone has been talking about this, would figure there would be like 100+ votes by now?

Portland or Las Vegas?

I vote San Diego!


J

Vegas Baby, Vegas...

you're so money! who's the big winner? you're the big winner!

sorry, had to...

I'm probably not going, either way, but I'd be more likey for vegas...

Vegas is more centralized with something for everyone. It even has 2 tracks we could go to and the mountain roads just outside of Vegas are great.

which one is closer to Austria - that would be my vote

Vegas would be good if it were done during the same approximate time of the year. Any later however, and it would be unbearably hot to do much outside the confines of a well air conditioned casino. I raced Vegas many times durring those 115-120 degree days; believe me, it was real tough. Vegas really does have a lot more than just casino's; Coke building tour , Mashmellow factory, MGM Grand theme area, the water park, Vegas museum, and my recipe to keep the wife happy.....take her to the Showcase Mall and buy her something; it's better that gambling away all your money! Oh, nearly all the shows are very good....at the track, there was a guy giving away free tickets to a magic show where his up-and-comming, trying-to-make-a-name-for-himself, magician friend was performing; Great show! Slipped the usher a $20, and he sat us in the 3rd row center.

Of course since I live reasonably close to Camarillo, and Willow Springs, that would be my first choice.

Andy

QUOTE (Gustl @ Apr 28 2005, 08:19 AM)

which one is closer to Austria - that would be my vote

Vegas Baby!!

Portland would be beautiful but I have a much better chance of going if its in Vegas.. Gotta be in the spring though. Summers are brutal.

we have roads in sw washington and the portland area too scott . the loop up through orchards to mount hood is spactacular. lots of geothermal activity and the hot spring spa/resort selections are good. carry your wind board on the trailer for world class windsufing in the hood river area if that's your thing. believe it or not, it's just as a long to drive from our area as the to drive to yours. vegas is def a BIG no for me. maybe just plan split events next summer. i don't gamble so other than another long f-in drive l.v. has nothing i'm interested in. sure, it's centalized for you guys. plus, i'm 2 years solo and my wife would like to attend. that would have to be after school is out mid june. too hot!!!

k

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which one is closer to Austria - that would be my vote

Gustl votes for Innsbruck...

No need to worry about '06...Howard has taken the reins again. He told me that he was arranging for a "Guppy" to fly us all to "The Ring"....The REAL Ring for the '06 bash.

Achtung..............

I voted Portland, because it's the west COAST classic. Not much coastal about Vegas. I also see Vegas regularly but could use a good excuse to go to Portland. Of course time of year would influence my choice.. I wouldn't want to be in Vegas in August or Portland in February.

i would rather be in pland in feb in a car with heat exchangers than a car with a black interior and no ac in vegas during most of the year.

k

Sorry, this is my post from another thread

Things to do in Portland, or in the area.

1. Scenic Columbia Gorge-I believe this is the most beutiful thing that you can see in Oregon.
2.Twisty historic hwy through the columbia gorge.
3.Wine Country.
4. PIR
plus lots and lots more


There are lots of places to entertain yourselves. There are like 3 casino's that I can think of. The oregon Coast is Beutiful. McMennamis, for those of you who like the microbrew. Lots of Strip clubs (for those of you who like those things).Hooters.

We have Lots of nice parks like the Rose Garden. (The actual Garden, Not the Arena)

And for those who didn't want to drive to Portland, You may also be able to catch a flight to PDX if you don't want to drive.

VEGAS IN 2007!!!!!

HIEDI

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I like Portland over Vegas. Not to hot, rains all the time. good excuse to buy a new rubber kit and make sure I stay dry

QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Apr 28 2005, 09:29 AM)

we have roads in sw washington and the portland area too scott . the loop up through orchards to mount hood is spactacular. lots of geothermal activity and the hot spring spa/resort selections are good. carry your wind board on the trailer for world class windsufing in the hood river area if that's your thing. believe it or not, it's just as a long to drive from our area as the to drive to yours. vegas is def a BIG no for me. maybe just plan split events next summer. i don't gamble so other than another long f-in drive l.v. has nothing i'm interested in. sure, it's centalized for you guys. plus, i'm 2 years solo and my wife would like to attend. that would have to be after school is out mid june. too hot!!! k

I dont have anything against Portland, I know they have some beautiful roads and lots of great scenery. I only voted Vegas because it is only 4 hours from So Cal and 6 from Nor Cal. It would be great if we can get everybody to come and bring their wives and families too. It is more about the people than anything else. I will go to either one just to be a part of the get together. Let's just let the people vote and go with whatever everyone decides. Kevin, it was great to see you again this year, we had some good times and I hope to have many more.

QUOTE (bondo @ Apr 28 2005, 11:30 AM)

I voted Portland, because it's the west COAST classic.

Vegas could be on the coast if the big one hits I would like a week earlier or later though. I can never make it on the 24th weekend its booked up for the rest of my life

how many people have seen a volcano that has exploded other than on tv? carson hot springs, bonneville hotsprings and resort, hwy 1 up the coast, skiing on mt hood in july, camp914, a kegger at jim's , crater lake (worth the side trip on the jaunt up). perhaps a Pacific Notrthwest Festival of Momentum? jp refered to a new track south of the pland area last year. did i mention it probably won't be 105* in the shade?

k

i put in a plug for portland because i have family there and it would be a LOT easier to convince the wife to go if we could drag the whole family along and make a visit to the relatives at the same time as i do my porsche thing....

I vote for portland because it's only a couple hrs away from me, and I know I could go this way. Vegas would be impossiable just like the last two years of WCC. We've had the WCC in southern part of the country for the last couple years and it's time for a change . Plus portland is a beautiful part of the country and a very different climate than nevada and california. There is a lot of support up here from the 914 community and I think we deserve a chance to show are stuff. Just my opinion.
Eric

05 was a social success because it was held in locations without a lot of distractions, so the group stayed together and partied.

IMHO any big city ain't the place. Everyone will head in their own direction and miss the point. Let's just hold it in Joe's RV

Kevin and Heidi are right. Scenery beats glitz.

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Apr 28 2005, 11:41 AM)

QUOTE (bondo @ Apr 28 2005, 11:30 AM) I voted Portland, because it's the west COAST classic. Vegas could be on the coast if the big one hits I would like a week earlier or later though. I can never make it on the 24th weekend its booked up for the rest of my life

beat me to it...

I voted Portland because I would love to spend more time in the PNW. I think it is one of the more beautiful parts of the country (when it is dry).

we wouldn't have to stay in portland itself. it could be regarded as a general area. as howie stated, trapping the group forces that personal contact. "it's a good thing"-m. stewart.

k

Maybe there could even be a large gathering at CAMP914?

I guess it will be The Pacific Northwest Classic 2006. See ya. http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ This is an event that we can piggyback on and we can all get in. It has something for everyone. Mom, dad, kids and 914ers. Plus the hotels are across the freeway, and the weather is great in July.
CCLINVIVAVEGAS

Howard makes a good point about the glitz. If it were in Vegas everyone would be running away from eachother and doing all kinds of stuff. If it were up to me, I would propose that we START in portland and then use the surrounding area to for the event.The general portland area would give a totally new and different feel to the WCC. The pacific northwest is a very different area with very different scenery than both california and nevad and I think if given the chance it would be a great event. Another important part of Portland is the large amount of support in Portland. We have a lot of people up here who would be able to make this event a reality. I know I can't speak for everyone, but I know I would be more than happy to do whatever I can to get the thing going in Portland. I don't know if this holds true in vegas, but it could be a deciding factor. If there is no one to take the reins in vegas it would create a big problem.

Eric

off hand i count a minimum of 20 cars that could attend from the puget sound area. not to include eastern wa or canada. my wife has had 2 or 3 of the griot kids as students:idea:. i'll do what i can to help on my end if needed. time for another super top secret, planning thread.

k

Let's not forget the most important question. Who is going to do Bowlsby (04) and Howard's job in 06? That determines where or if it will be held. A major undertaking, and I haven't yet heard of a volunteer in either Vegas or Portland.

QUOTE (rhodyguy @ Apr 28 2005, 08:44 AM)

how many people have seen a volcano that has exploded other than on tv? carson hot springs, bonneville hotsprings and resort, hwy 1 up the coast, skiing on mt hood in july, camp914, a kegger at jim's , crater lake (worth the side trip on the jaunt up). perhaps a Pacific Notrthwest Festival of Momentum? jp refered to a new track south of the pland area last year. did i mention it probably won't be 105* in the shade? k

James knows several local 914 people that have nothing to do with the internet, that would probably come if it were in Portland. There is also a State park that is about 45min from portland (Champoeg). For those on a budget you can camp in a cabin or yurt for like $30 a night. You can even make reservations.

http://www.oregonstateparks.org/park_113.php

Just my $00.02 worth. We love Vegas! Too distracting for this kind of thing though. Also too spread out, and way too f***ing hot. The PNW is great, especially July, August, September, October. PIR is a cool track.

Craig's idea of piggy backing onto the vintage race is a good one. We are also hosting the Porsche Parade next year, maybe dovetail with that?

Portland is compact, easy to get to, great roads to drive on: either to the beach or to Mt. Hood. There are enough of us here to organize things up. Pamela and I would even consider an evening BBQ at our place (we have a house designed for partying on the river). Plenty of good hotels/motels....Double Tree dominates and is closest to the track.

PDX gets my vote

I vote Portland. One because it is closer and I might be able to drive a 914 there, and two, If my job interfears again, I could still make it to some of the fun!!
My wife would also come along...

To you guys in Cali, dont under estimate the Northwest...

I thought you guys choose SoCal for 05, cause you were going to do Portland in 06 because the Porsche Parade was going to be up in the Portland area in 2006?

I think the SoCal contingent should look closely at thier maps. There are too many fun ways to get to Ptown. The 395 to Reno then 80 to 89 to the 5 is just one of many scenic and twisty semi direct routes! I just get acny thinking of taking the inland roads North.

Damn keyboards. I get acne from chocolate, ancy from thinking of exhaust notes

QUOTE (drgchapman @ Apr 28 2005, 10:52 AM)

Just my $00.02 worth. We love Vegas! Too distracting for this kind of thing though. Also too spread out, and way too f***ing hot. The PNW is great, especially July, August, September, October. PIR is a cool track. Craig's idea of piggy backing onto the vintage race is a good one. We are also hosting the Porsche Parade next year, maybe dovetail with that? Portland is compact, easy to get to, great roads to drive on: either to the beach or to Mt. Hood. There are enough of us here to organize things up. Pamela and I would even consider an evening BBQ at our place (we have a house designed for partying on the river). Plenty of good hotels/motels....Double Tree dominates and is closest to the track. PDX gets my vote

Think I see WCC06 Leader here

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Let's not forget the most important question. Who is going to do Bowlsby (04) and Howard's job in 06? That determines where or if it will be held. A major undertaking, and I haven't yet heard of a volunteer in either Vegas or Portland.

BINGO !!!

the reality is that you need to get someone to sign up for organising and promoting the event FIRST. John Larson (Cap'n Crusty) did the first event like this in 2000, and i did the event in Reno in 2002. believe me when i tell you it is NOT an easy job, and it CANNOT be done by remote control. you need LOCAL INVOLVEMENT. (and if you don't want to believe me, ask Jeff, or Howard...)

one of the downsides with Parade is that it will suck up all the available resources and venues.

and i promise you, a year is NOT TOO MUCH TIME to plan; it is barely enough.

when you get more than one person willing to sign up to chair the event, THEN you can start to debate which has the better shot at developing a successful event. sooner or later it NEEDS to be in the PNW, and yeah, some guys from the southwest won't make it. there are ALWAYS decisions and tradeoffs to be made...

Only problem with Portland, is weather. It is not conducive to long term planning. Granted, Portland is not Seattle, but I've passed on several race weekend's over the years (driving from SoCal) due only to the uncertainty of the weather. I love PIR; it's a fantastic track. One of my all time favorites! I recall a race weekend back around '83, when I arrived at the track after a 1000 mile trip. A steady rain....I remember sitting in my van starring at the pit area with all the puddles waiting for it to clear....never did, so I took a scenic drive up the gorge, had a relaxing dinner. Both SoCal and Vegas don't usually suffer from the weather disrupting a long term plan; BTDT.

Andy

QUOTE (AZ914 @ Apr 28 2005, 05:29 PM)

QUOTE which one is closer to Austria - that would be my vote   Gustl votes for Innsbruck...

well said

there are lots of wonderful roads through the alps

it would be just 15 minutes from my place

unfortunately there's no track within the next 2 hours

Whatever location is picked, strongly suggest you don't try to piggyback on to another event. That's the mess we had in 04 with the PCA AX, and would have had here with POC (who had rented Willow for that weekend).

You just can't bring 100 of your closest friends to someone else's party.

The liklihood of getting PIR for our event is slim. Cost is 2 to 3 times what Streets of Willow cost. Booking it is difficult as it is a city owned facility and heavily used in the dry months. Maybe an autocross on a weekday could be arranged but probably not the track.

Parade.

I personally feel that we owe it to the PacWest guy's to hold an event up there. They have now traveled twice to the southern events. We can drive north.

Again.. the whole idea was to piggie back on the Parade weekend. It will ease *some* of the organizers headache.

Portland.

If I go west this year for an event.. it will be for the MUSR/MWC/ or Fall Foliage

I'm guessing we have 4-5 members in the Vegas area ??

Dont forget.. it helps out A LOT if you have a person from that area setup the event... and help from that area.. to setup the event.. PacWest has all the people they need.


B

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That's the mess we had in 04 with the PCA AX,

Not sure how that was a mess ??

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You just can't bring 100 of your closest friends to someone else's party.

You can if you let them know you are coming. PCA is dying to have "our" group show up to their events. Every single Zone event I attend the PCA zone president ask's me how to get "our" people to their events.

I know what kind of pain in the ass POC can be.. we have ran combined weekends with them at Laguna Seca..


B

QUOTE (Brad Roberts @ Apr 28 2005, 01:29 PM)

If I go west this year for an event.. it will be for the MUSR/MWC/ or Fall Foliage

the MUSR is WEST of Cali this year? damn, I gues I WON'T DRIVE... I'll need a boat.

very good point though Brad...

I'm meeting again today at 2pm with a group that can help us organize events around the world (if need be) they currently organize Formula1 weekends/Indy car weekends/Nascar weekends. We cant continue to rely on "volunteer" club members to organize these events. I'm 100% sure that it can be VERY overwhelming at times. This group has been organizing small/med/large automotive events since 1986. Many of you have attended their events and didnt even know it (myself included). Many of you attended one of their events this past weekend (VARA race at Willow Springs) They are not VARA.. they just help with sponsors/advertising/organizing/hotels/food..blah blah.. same stuff Howard and Jeff pulled off.

We will see.


B

I will go to either location. The Vegas site has it's benefits as it offers alot of things for those in the family who are not so 914 oriented . But, I can also see where the glitz and glamour could detract from the real focal point. The Portland area is also good and I have alot of family there so logistics would be easier.

Well, the New Mexico contingent is in quite a conundrum... (well, we'll go wherever it is, to be honest!)

I voted for Vegas because it's easier to get my husband to go, but I love Portland area, too! There are some really beautiful drives around Mt Hood (Full Sail Brewery) and then there are some nice roads around Edgefield (McMenamins compound) as well as NewPort (Rogue Brewing) and don't forget Portland itself! (Too many breweries to individually mention!)

Oh, yeah... Howard knows that I'll bring beer wherever it is, but as he said... variety is the spice of life!!!

The beer wench.