TYPE4PARTS PROGRAMABLE FUEL INJECTION Options

[Rand]

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Just have a little patience fellows

Reading this thread is making me nuts. Are the prices still under development or what? Why can't they just be posted? Keeping them top secret isn't going to help the opinions about them. They will be known by all anyway, and attempted secrecy will only add to the gripes.

[736conver]

We need a new smilie.

The thread is worthless without prices!!!!!

[TROJANMAN]

QUOTE (airsix @ May 3 2005, 11:33 AM)

No matter how low the price is people will complain. You could give them away free and people would gripe about the shipping cost and that it took more than 27 minutes to get a tracking number. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif) -Ben M.

there's nothing to complain about yet. the price is currently on double secret probation.

[Rand]

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have to shoot ya.

[jwalters]

I think if you read the post that Brad made--you would see he explicity said no selling on this board---so that means no prices----it was on Page 1--about the #2 or #3 post--

Admins wield the sword around here-- (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

[Mueller]

QUOTE (jwalters @ May 3 2005, 03:41 PM)

I think if you read the post that Brad made--you would see he explicity said no selling on this board---so that means no prices----it was on Page 1--about the #2 or #3 post-- Admins wield the sword around here-- (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

We have a resource section on the board for "selling", Steves 1st post looked like a straight up advertisment, now if he showed it installed on a 914 or something like that, then it would be different I think....

nothing wrong with posting the price.......

[jwalters]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) Now that is too cool! Another vendor saying " Post the Price!"

Score:

Admins: 1
Vendors: 2

hehe-- (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif)

[redshift]

If it's not expensive enough, nobody's going to want it.


M

[Mueller]

QUOTE (redshift @ May 3 2005, 04:11 PM)

If it's not expensive enough, nobody's going to want it. M

there is some truth to that...if the price is so dirt cheap compared to what is out there, it makes you wonder what the reason is....

my Link ECU so far seems to be about the lowest cost commercial* ECU if seen this year, and it's only a few hundred bucks less than everything else......


*megasquirt does not count, even a professional built/tested unit

[SLITS]

It's 10 Bazillion Dollars or might as well be as cheap as the Teener Owners are (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)

[914RSR]

here you go, right out of Steves Email ...

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Thanks for your interest in the Fuel Injection System.

This is a state of the art FI system.

It allows you to contrrol the fuel and timing with great precision.

It is very simple to program via Laptop

The system is comparable to the Motec system in Quality and features.

This system will give you from 20 to 30% increase in power over your existing fuel system FI or Carb.

This is due to the fuel being burned at the optimal point in the combustion process.

Stock FI or carbs are very crude in offering the optimal combustion of fuel to the engine and have no provision adjust the timing.

I am offering it in two packages to allow you to select the best setup for you needs.

The Basic package contains:

The EMS with mount tabs

Harness with 8 foot leads

Cable to interface laptop with EMS

Optical trigger

MAP Sensor 3 bar in case later on you want to turbo your engine.

Temp sensor.

CD with 50 Base maps to get you up and running.

Operating Manual .

The base package is for use with your stock Runners with Injectors and TB.

For engines 1679cc to 2056cc

This package is $1600



If you have a Larger Engine the following package will give you more power.

This package has the above items plus:

65mm TB on a modifided 2.0 Plenum with TPS sold as an exchange part

4- 24lbs fuel injectors.

Harness for 24 lbs injectors.

Fuel line runners for 24 lbs injectors.

Air Cleaner for 65mm TB.

This is $1950.

The stock 2.0 plenum and runners will work for displacments up to 2.8 liters.

Twin TB are not necessary for performance.

I have runners and plenums if you dont have any.

For more info on how this system works and the features use this link.

Take a look and you can see the benefits of this system.

Download the program to see how easy it is to program the system for your engine.

Future upgrades to the system are downloadable from the internet.

There is a Datalogger built in.



Thanks Steve

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[lapuwali]

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 3 2005, 03:29 PM)

QUOTE (redshift @ May 3 2005, 04:11 PM) If it's not expensive enough, nobody's going to want it. M there is some truth to that...if the price is so dirt cheap compared to what is out there, it makes you wonder what the reason is.... my Link ECU so far seems to be about the lowest cost commercial* ECU if seen this year, and it's only a few hundred bucks less than everything else...... *megasquirt does not count, even a professional built/tested unit

Ben's favorite Perfect Power seems to be a bit cheaper than the Link. Their US distributor sells the PRT2 for $650. What surprised me when I looked is they claim it will do full sequential injection, and it also does wasted spark on a four-cylinder. I think that $650 also includes a harness, but not sensors.

[Mueller]

I forgot about the Perfect Power units...is that price current or from a few years ago??

[lapuwali]

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 3 2005, 03:50 PM)

I forgot about the Perfect Power units...is that price current or from a few years ago??

PP US Distributor

$675, not $650. My mistake.

$1600 is pretty expensive. 20-30% power increase is bullshit. Motec quality is unlikely (Motec uses MIL-SPEC everything).

[Mueller]

QUOTE (lapuwali @ May 3 2005, 04:54 PM)

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 3 2005, 03:50 PM) I forgot about the Perfect Power units...is that price current or from a few years ago?? PP US Distributor $675, not $650. My mistake. $1600 is pretty expensive. 20-30% power increase is bullshit. Motec quality is unlikely (Motec uses MIL-SPEC everything).

interesting...one of the perfect power dealers is Mike from Lo Customs (one of the early Megasquirt guys)

to be honest with you, I'm disappointed in Steves pricing...I was really hoping it would be in the sub $1000 range for a true bolt on solution......not really for me, but for others that only want to deal with a true or near plug and play solution....

[tnorthern]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Let's see dyno numbers on this stuff... when I asked for specifics for a motor he was trying to sell me on he never contacted be back. I understand these aren't small block Chevy's but why can Edlebrock tell you what HP to expect from their Performer Package but % of increase is an acceptable answer here. I want to see a dyno with carbs, stock FI, and then his FI put a little effort out there and you will get a huge response. I believe in business we call that ROI. Invest in taking one of each package you sell to a dyno and give us solid data.

[TROJANMAN]

QUOTE (914RSR @ May 3 2005, 03:39 PM)

here you go, right out of Steves Email ...

now was that so hard? he could have posted that last week. (in the vendor's section (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/lol2.gif) )

close to 1500 hits, that's pretty good advertising. that's better than the link i have below my signature.

[Air_Cooled_Nut]

QUOTE (Mueller @ May 3 2005, 04:04 PM)

...to be honest with you, I'm disappointed in Steves pricing...I was really hoping it would be in the sub $1000 range for a true bolt on solution......not really for me, but for others that only want to deal with a true or near plug and play solution....

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/agree.gif)
So this system goes with the variety of other systems out there I've been looking at (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)

[ChrisFoley]

QUOTE (lapuwali @ May 3 2005, 07:54 PM)

20-30% power increase is bullshit.

I agree 100%

The stock intake already works pretty good for a stock size engine.
Without adding a real good exhaust the engine efficiency won't change a whole lot.
The stock cam is a major limiting factor.
The heavy stock valves and weak springs limit rpm.
IMNSHO my Tangerine Super header is still the best bolt on power booster available for a stock 2 liter, 9% torque increase - dyno proven. You can't get that anywhere else without splitting the case.

[LouisCypher]

QUOTE (914RSR @ May 3 2005, 03:39 PM)

65mm TB on a modifided 2.0 Plenum with TPS sold as an exchange part 4- 24lbs fuel injectors. Harness for 24 lbs injectors. Fuel line runners for 24 lbs injectors. Air Cleaner for 65mm TB. This is $1950. The stock 2.0 plenum and runners will work for displacments up to 2.8 liters. Twin TB are not necessary for performance.

But is it true that a EFI system with a central TB can be used for engines that large? Isn't there a problem with idle when using high duration and/or lift cam?

Louis