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post Apr 3 2017, 10:44 AM
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Drained oil. No water visible.
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post Apr 3 2017, 11:21 AM
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Well, its NOT the alternator.
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post Apr 3 2017, 12:20 PM
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Dribble of water out of the heat exchangers when i pulled them. Could be old condensation I guess?
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post Apr 3 2017, 03:01 PM
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Engine is out. Of course, still not turning. Time to tear off the heads.
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post Apr 3 2017, 04:37 PM
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I have two cylinders with rust in them. One pretty bad. Wonder if I can hone these? Also, How the hell am I going to get my cylinders off the pistons with the rust? Here is a pic of the worst one.

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post Apr 3 2017, 04:57 PM
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Sorry to see this.

Leave some penetrating oil on it for a day or so. And/or carefully use a flat instrument and a hammer to gently but firmly push/tap the cylinder jugs away from the case. My guess is that you'll probably need new pistons and cylinders anyway. Good luck!
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post Apr 3 2017, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(cuddyk @ Apr 3 2017, 03:57 PM) *

Sorry to see this.

Leave some penetrating oil on it for a day or so. And/or carefully use a flat instrument and a hammer to gently but firmly push/tap the cylinder jugs away from the case. My guess is that you'll probably need new pistons and cylinders anyway. Good luck!


Don't think a honing would do it?
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post Apr 3 2017, 05:36 PM
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Tough to tell before you free the jugs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif). But the pic looks as if there will be pitting under that rust. And if the cylinders have never been replaced, there's a good chance they're scored after 40+ years.

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post Apr 3 2017, 07:08 PM
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Pretty sure there will be some pitting. Good news it's a VW not a 911, so you have fewer new ones to buy and they are less expensive.
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(cuddyk @ Apr 3 2017, 04:36 PM) *

Tough to tell before you free the jugs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif). But the pic looks as if there will be pitting under that rust. And if the cylinders have never been replaced, there's a good chance they're scored after 40+ years.


New pistons and cylinders. ONly about 4 years on them.
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:25 PM
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Pretty sure there will be some pitting. Good news it's a VW not a 911, so you have fewer new ones to buy and they are less expensive.


Can you get less than a set?
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:39 PM
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Well not sure here but think that water has been in there a while longer than mentioned and no it won't hone out ,best to replace the whole lot and start a fresh.
We all make mistakes so try to look on the positive side ok.
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Apr 3 2017, 06:22 PM) *

Get the water out, pull the plugs and fill the cylinders with diesel, 3-4 days it will free up.
Spin the motor no plugs to get the diesel out.
If you have no water or diesel in the oil replace plugs and see if it will fire up.
If it does likely you lucked out, change the oil and try to get it running proper.

Then don't do that again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)


Funny I said that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) .
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post Apr 3 2017, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(porschetub @ Apr 3 2017, 08:39 PM) *

Well not sure here but think that water has been in there a while longer than mentioned and no it won't hone out ,best to replace the whole lot and start a fresh.
We all make mistakes so try to look on the positive side ok.


Come to think of it, it was probably more like 3 months. I'm a dumbshit.
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post Apr 3 2017, 10:19 PM
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Soeak with penetrating oil
Scrape/blow away loose flakes
Slowly heat the cylinder and tap the piston with the wooden handle of a hammer or similar.... rinse and repeat.....
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post Apr 3 2017, 11:46 PM
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There was water in the oil it did not disappear.

Suck, but you can get it back .

While you are in there, DPR sells striker cranks and larger Pistons and cylinders are a click away.....just sayin.
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post Apr 4 2017, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Apr 3 2017, 10:46 PM) *

There was water in the oil it did not disappear.

Suck, but you can get it back .

While you are in there, DPR sells striker cranks and larger Pistons and cylinders are a click away.....just sayin.


Still thinking boring out my old stock cylinders might be an option. I am on a super tight budget.
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post Apr 4 2017, 10:07 AM
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If they are oem cylinders, bore them out and buy new pistons and rings.
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post Apr 4 2017, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(The Cabinetmaker @ Apr 4 2017, 09:07 AM) *

If they are oem cylinders, bore them out and buy new pistons and rings.


Yeah. Perhaps my pistons are ok?
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post Apr 4 2017, 10:25 AM
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Hi,
Probably toast from the pic. Still, if you have compressor the cheap HF leakdown tool will be enough to tell you if you can save it. Till leakdown everything is a swag.

Not certain of the value of reboring cylinders vs.buying new from ems. He sent me the material data sheets for his 96 mm jugs. At the time they were not AA and he was getting them cast in the US. Worth an email to see if that's still the case.

Try to avoid becoming the next Dirk Wright.
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