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post Apr 4 2017, 10:30 AM
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First - Hydrolock - I always put the car in 5th gear and push it backward. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Second - Time for a rebuild.
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post Apr 4 2017, 10:40 AM
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I do not think I hydrolocked it. It was not starting due to a weak battery, pretty sure. I think its a case of rusted rings/cylinders. Soaking with diesel, and tapping the pistons with a block and mallet (not too hard). I have about 3 mm of seperation between the cylinders and case. trying not to pry too much or too hard.
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post Apr 4 2017, 12:13 PM
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Just coaxed what I thought was the worst one off. They all seem to be stubborn.
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post Apr 4 2017, 02:15 PM
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one to go....
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post Apr 4 2017, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(jeffdon @ Apr 3 2017, 09:25 PM) *

QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Apr 3 2017, 06:08 PM) *

Pretty sure there will be some pitting. Good news it's a VW not a 911, so you have fewer new ones to buy and they are less expensive.


Can you get less than a set?



European Motrworks sells individual cylinders and pistons
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post Apr 4 2017, 03:30 PM
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All off. Phew.
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post Apr 4 2017, 03:33 PM
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What size engine is it? I might be able to help you out parts wise...for I too know what it is like to be on a tight budget...
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post Apr 4 2017, 03:51 PM
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What size engine is it? I might be able to help you out parts wise...for I too know what it is like to be on a tight budget...


2056. 96mm cylinders and pistons
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post Apr 4 2017, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(jeffdon @ Apr 4 2017, 03:51 PM) *

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What size engine is it? I might be able to help you out parts wise...for I too know what it is like to be on a tight budget...


2056. 96mm cylinders and pistons


Sorry, I have no 2056 parts. In fact am saving for the same. Just thought if it was a stock size I might be able to help you out. I know I just bought a 73 with the same issue. Anyway, good luck and holler if ya need anything. Still have some spare parts that might help you out at some point.
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post Apr 4 2017, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(Puebloswatcop @ Apr 4 2017, 03:12 PM) *

QUOTE(jeffdon @ Apr 4 2017, 03:51 PM) *

QUOTE(Puebloswatcop @ Apr 4 2017, 02:33 PM) *

What size engine is it? I might be able to help you out parts wise...for I too know what it is like to be on a tight budget...


2056. 96mm cylinders and pistons


Sorry, I have no 2056 parts. In fact am saving for the same. Just thought if it was a stock size I might be able to help you out. I know I just bought a 73 with the same issue. Anyway, good luck and holler if ya need anything. Still have some spare parts that might help you out at some point.


Thanks for offering. I got a stock set of jugs. If the rusty ones are too far gone, I can have them bored. So far, only one of the cylinders looks like its got pitting. Hopping its not so far gone as to be beyond honing out.

The rings, however, seem to be rusted into the grooves. Gonna give them a long diesel soak.

The generosity of 914 people never fails to amaze me. Sniff. Must have dust in my eye all of a sudden.
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post Apr 4 2017, 04:44 PM
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Anybody out there know if its fine to use an ultrasonic cleaner to loosen up the crud? Thought it might help to get things clean after lots of oil soaking. Don't think its a good idea to go very long with ultrasonic part on but the 125 degree dawn water should help loosen things.
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post Apr 4 2017, 04:53 PM
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Anybody out there know if its fine to use an ultrasonic cleaner to loosen up the crud? Thought it might help to get things clean after lots of oil soaking. Don't think its a good idea to go very long with ultrasonic part on but the 125 degree dawn water should help loosen things.


Got an ultrasonic cleaner?
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post Apr 4 2017, 04:58 PM
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sure do. used on my 911 engine build and several greasy things since.
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post Apr 4 2017, 05:06 PM
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sure do. used on my 911 engine build and several greasy things since.


There is rust on the pistons that is caked on. Steel wool is taking it off with some elbow grease. I bet the Ultrasonic would take it off.
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post Apr 4 2017, 05:06 PM
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Glad you got them all off!

I have a used set of 96mm pistons that I can give you. They would need some cleaning up and new rings. I also have 2 usable jugs. Pm me if you want em....
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post Apr 5 2017, 09:19 AM
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And now to get the frozen rings off..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
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post Apr 5 2017, 09:48 AM
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Gotta a question on re-assembling, and what will also need replacing. I am not splitting the case, but I did pull the flywheel.


Stuff I know will need replacing -
Cylinder shims (buggered them in teardown)
Flywheel lock plate.
CV joint gaskets
Scnorr washers for CV's
Rocker cover gaskets

Stuff I am wondering if it can be reused:
Main seal
O-ring on flywheel

I think my push rod tube seals will be fine.

Anything else I should be shopping for?
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post Apr 5 2017, 10:14 AM
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Since you'll have everything apart, I'd be inclined to replace all seals. Cheap insurance. You can buy a kit that has everything.

http://www.autoatlanta.com/Porsche-Victor-...R039198009.html

Not that Im a fan of AA, but theirs was the easiest link to find. And the price isn't bad.

Hopefully the water / rust didn't make it down to the crank. Once you have the pistons out, you can look inside and see if you need to split the case. If all looks clean and you don't see any signs of rust or oil leaking around the main seals, you could probably leave those as is. But like I said, cheap peace of mind to replace now. Just my .02...
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post Apr 5 2017, 10:23 AM
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Since you'll have everything apart, I'd be inclined to replace all seals. Cheap insurance. You can buy a kit that has everything.

http://www.autoatlanta.com/Porsche-Victor-...R039198009.html

Not that Im a fan of AA, but theirs was the easiest link to find. And the price isn't bad.

Hopefully the water / rust didn't make it down to the crank. Once you have the pistons out, you can look inside and see if you need to split the case. If all looks clean and you don't see any signs of rust or oil leaking around the main seals, you could probably leave those as is. But like I said, cheap peace of mind to replace now. Just my .02...


Good point. Looks ok inside. Some gunk, but I think i will flush it out with a few cans of carb cleaner and call it good.
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you have the engine torn down that far and your going to reuse pushrod tube seals, crank seal and rear seal. renz gasket kit is about $.40.00, front and rearseal about $30.00. i would
seriously rethink that plan, fwiw. you know the old saying, "never the time or money to do it right, always the time to do it twice. jest sayin'
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