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How important is numbers matching? |
McLovin |
Apr 16 2017, 11:22 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 102 Joined: 31-August 16 From: Tallahassee, FL Member No.: 20,360 Region Association: South East States |
Hey all,
Just wondering how important a numbers matching car is vs. a non-matching car. Like how important would it be for a 914-6? If the engine doesn't match, but it's otherwise the correct engine, would it be valued the same or would you expect a discount as a buyer? How much of a premium or discount? Is there a difference in value between a car with a numbers matching 1.8L engine, or a car that's supposed to have a 1.8L, but someone has swapped in a 2.0L? All things being equal, which car is more desirable? Thanks, |
mepstein |
Apr 16 2017, 11:52 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,271 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Numbers matching, date matching wheels, steering wheel, etc - not important to me but the industry will often value a numbers matching car 10-20% higher than non matching.
356's used to be numbered on most every body panel, more recent cars are really just lengine and trans. |
Larmo63 |
Apr 16 2017, 12:01 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,264 Joined: 3-March 14 From: San Clemente, Ca Member No.: 17,068 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, on a 914-6, matching numbers is really important. On a common /4, not so much as of today. In the future though, I think that numbers matching fours will become more valuable.
So many of these cars are being upgraded now to sixes and Subi power, that an original numbers matching car, like say a 1973 2.0 appearance group model, may well go way up in value. |
falcor75 |
Apr 16 2017, 01:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,579 Joined: 22-November 12 From: Sweden Member No.: 15,176 Region Association: Scandinavia |
I dont know how others reason but to me matching numbers would only be a benefit if the rest of the car is in really good condition. If the car has rust issues, small or large, accident repairs, been modified etc...then numbers matching doesnt matter.
If the car is unmolested and very nice, then matching numbers is an added bonus. |
Rand |
Apr 16 2017, 01:52 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Simple answer: If you don't know if it matters, then it doesn't matter for you.
It doesn't matter for me, I'm not in that league, nor do I want to be. I don't see you building a show car, so just fix up what you'll drive and drive it. |
Coondog |
Apr 16 2017, 03:21 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, on a 914-6, matching numbers is really important. On a common /4, not so much as of today. In the future though, I think that numbers matching fours will become more valuable. So many of these cars are being upgraded now to sixes and Subi power, that an original numbers matching car, like say a 1973 2.0 appearance group model, may well go way up in value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I have a 1970 SS 454 El Camino that has a crate motor and OD trans which on one hand makes it far better then factory, but l would take at least a $10,000 hit because its not a numbers matching car. |
Elliot Cannon |
Apr 16 2017, 06:34 PM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
About the only thing that matches on my car are the seats! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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somd914 |
Apr 16 2017, 07:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,171 Joined: 21-February 11 From: Southern Maryland Member No.: 12,741 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yes, on a 914-6, matching numbers is really important. On a common /4, not so much as of today. In the future though, I think that numbers matching fours will become more valuable. So many of these cars are being upgraded now to sixes and Subi power, that an original numbers matching car, like say a 1973 2.0 appearance group model, may well go way up in value. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) However, I'm yet to figure out why I can replace everything inside and out of the engine but as long as the case remains it is considered "original". And conversely if everything is original except for the case, well, it's not original. Doesn't make much sense to me... |
Unobtanium-inc |
Apr 16 2017, 07:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,209 Joined: 29-November 06 From: New York Member No.: 7,276 Region Association: None |
Right now for your average 4 no, 6 yes, only because they are now sought after by collectors. I get lots of call these days from guys wanting their first Porsche, "But it must be investment grade!" This is really what they say. I'm not entirely sure what that means, I think I know enough to roll my eyes. But those are the guys pushing the market up so they can't be ignored. So given comparable cars as either a driver or a project the matching numbers one will always sell faster and probably for 20-25% more. As time goes on these "collectors" will be buying up 4's too, so expect to start getting investment grade questions if you are selling your car in the next few years.
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pete000 |
Apr 16 2017, 09:14 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
Unfortunately many original six blocks ended up in dumpsters due to major failures to the magnesium case. Mine took a big bang during hard racing back in the 80's. I am sure it is probably deep under ground in a land fill somewhere in northern California. It would have been nice to have the matching number case half as a memento though.
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JeffBowlsby |
Apr 16 2017, 10:49 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,506 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None |
Some of us need a paradigm shift on todays reality on 914/4 cars.
When the best examples of 914/4s are commanding prices of $40K...they are already in that collector realm. The price escalation trend began many years ago. They are only original once. Those who beat on these cars and make irreversible personalizations, only depreciate the value of their own cars generally down, while at the same time driving the values of original cars generally up. Notice I said 'generally' because there are exceptions...but that is the trend. PS That word 'original' means different things to different people. Notice how some sellers and braggerts go out of their way to label their car 'original' when its clearly not? Original must mean something to some people. |
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