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The best location for an electric water pump SBC V8 conversion, The best location for an electric water pump SBC V8 conversion |
BRAVE_HELIOS |
Apr 22 2017, 10:06 AM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hey all,
Inching closer to going electric on my V8 conversion car. Right now; going through the process of cleaning out radiator and water passages/block with ThermoCure, then Prestone citric acid flush. Assuming I get a really clean system but not fix the run hot situation; I will go electric. Where is the best place to mount the electric pump? It would seem that the easiest way to go in my case is with this: http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Pro.../50930/10002/-1 It a 50 GPM unit that should bolt right up to the Renegade remote water pump housing already in place in my car on the lower left hand side of the engine... that is assuming there is enough clearance between the water pump and the firewall. Would this work? I have heard stories going back and forth about mounting the pump by the radiator or by the engine. |
Andyrew |
May 5 2017, 03:31 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California |
Have you pressure tested your system yet?
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BRAVE_HELIOS |
May 5 2017, 03:33 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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3liter914-6 |
May 6 2017, 09:55 PM
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Master of Clueless Posts Group: Benefactors Posts: 310 Joined: 12-October 03 From: State College, PA Member No.: 1,238 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have yet to perform a compression test oor leak down test. He's saying pressure test the cooling system, it's a pump that you can use to check to see if the system is holding pressure--they're fairly effective at identifying most leaks in a cooling system. The vacuum tool that I showed you can also be used the same way, if you vacuum the system and the vacuum doesn't hold in the green zone then you've got a leak somewhere--potentially headgasket. I have both though, as the pressure tester is a little better at pinpointing leaks, but both will indicate an issue that requires attention. You can also perform a combustion gas check on the coolant to see if you've got a leak from the combustion chamber. Running hot at speed can be a lot of things, insufficient airflow, clogged or poorly sized radiator, trapped air, low coolant/insufficient water flow, tuning issues, head gasket, etc. I'll say again, you should make sure that what you have is working properly before you throw more parts at things, and part of that is making sure the system is properly bled. The vacuum tools are amazing, and make coolant filling so easy and trouble free |
BRAVE_HELIOS |
May 7 2017, 09:57 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I have yet to perform a compression test oor leak down test. He's saying pressure test the cooling system, it's a pump that you can use to check to see if the system is holding pressure--they're fairly effective at identifying most leaks in a cooling system. The vacuum tool that I showed you can also be used the same way, if you vacuum the system and the vacuum doesn't hold in the green zone then you've got a leak somewhere--potentially headgasket. I have both though, as the pressure tester is a little better at pinpointing leaks, but both will indicate an issue that requires attention. You can also perform a combustion gas check on the coolant to see if you've got a leak from the combustion chamber. Running hot at speed can be a lot of things, insufficient airflow, clogged or poorly sized radiator, trapped air, low coolant/insufficient water flow, tuning issues, head gasket, etc. I'll say again, you should make sure that what you have is working properly before you throw more parts at things, and part of that is making sure the system is properly bled. The vacuum tools are amazing, and make coolant filling so easy and trouble free I rented a cooling system pressure tester from O'Reily's a while back. The kit did not have the correct adapter for a VW expansion tank so I had to fabricate my own. My son had to hold it in place while I pressurized the system. I used it mostly to purge air from the radiator petcock and not to test holding pressure. Today; I took a ride to my local breakers yard and specifically looked for an expansion tank that was from a V8 car and that had the standard twist/lock pressure cap. Found one out of a Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that fit the bill. Took it home and made a temporary mount to test it. Right away. I noticed that where previously with the VW expansion tank, coolant would eventually flow out of the expansion tank and into overflow tank then would begin to fill up the overflow tank until it overflowed to the ground. This did not occur with the Ford unit. The overflow tank level did not have any discernible change in coolant level. Good sign, I hope. Although I could not find anyone around here that rents out leak down testers, I will go to the FLAPS and rent out the pressure tester again. If I understand this tool correctly; it will show me external leaks fairly immediately and will let me know of internal leaks by whether the pressure drops over X amount of time. Is this the correct way to diagnose with the pressure tester? |
BRAVE_HELIOS |
May 8 2017, 08:10 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I have yet to perform a compression test oor leak down test. He's saying pressure test the cooling system, it's a pump that you can use to check to see if the system is holding pressure--they're fairly effective at identifying most leaks in a cooling system. The vacuum tool that I showed you can also be used the same way, if you vacuum the system and the vacuum doesn't hold in the green zone then you've got a leak somewhere--potentially headgasket. I have both though, as the pressure tester is a little better at pinpointing leaks, but both will indicate an issue that requires attention. You can also perform a combustion gas check on the coolant to see if you've got a leak from the combustion chamber. Running hot at speed can be a lot of things, insufficient airflow, clogged or poorly sized radiator, trapped air, low coolant/insufficient water flow, tuning issues, head gasket, etc. I'll say again, you should make sure that what you have is working properly before you throw more parts at things, and part of that is making sure the system is properly bled. The vacuum tools are amazing, and make coolant filling so easy and trouble free I rented a cooling system pressure tester from O'Reily's a while back. The kit did not have the correct adapter for a VW expansion tank so I had to fabricate my own. My son had to hold it in place while I pressurized the system. I used it mostly to purge air from the radiator petcock and not to test holding pressure. Today; I took a ride to my local breakers yard and specifically looked for an expansion tank that was from a V8 car and that had the standard twist/lock pressure cap. Found one out of a Crown Vic/Grand Marquis that fit the bill. Took it home and made a temporary mount to test it. Right away. I noticed that where previously with the VW expansion tank, coolant would eventually flow out of the expansion tank and into overflow tank then would begin to fill up the overflow tank until it overflowed to the ground. This did not occur with the Ford unit. The overflow tank level did not have any discernible change in coolant level. Good sign, I hope. Although I could not find anyone around here that rents out leak down testers, I will go to the FLAPS and rent out the pressure tester again. If I understand this tool correctly; it will show me external leaks fairly immediately and will let me know of internal leaks by whether the pressure drops over X amount of time. Is this the correct way to diagnose with the pressure tester? Update... I went and rented a pressure tester. When I got home, I removed the cap from the Crown Vic expansion tank and immediately noticed that the expansion was still full of coolant. I had never experienced that with the Passat expansion tank... that tank was always half empty... no matter how many times I filled it before driving... always. I tested the 16 PSI cap and it checked out. Next, I pressurized the system to 16 PSI and even though it dropped a hair, it has been holding in the 15-16 PSI range on the gauge for over 10 minutes now. No external leaks and hopefully no internal leaks either. Good signs I think! I read another test I can perform with the pressure tester is to remove all the spark plugs, pressurize the cooling system, then crank the engine to see if any coolant comes out of the spark plug holes. Another is the exhaust gas tester for cooling systems. It seems no one around here rents leak down tester or exhaust gas testers... it would suck to have to buy these things for one time testing. Are the observations, tests and subsequent results performed so far enough to come to the determination that all is well with my cylinders and gaskets? I reckon it would be easy enough to perform the other test I mentioned with the pressure tester and removing the spark plugs... if I have to. BTW... thanks for all your help! |
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