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> Porsche building cars without a VIN? (911), 914s also, maybe?
74ravenna
post Jul 11 2017, 04:53 PM
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Hi all,

Last week a coworker sent me a photo of a 911 without a VIN.
Its a factory built race car that the owner bought new around 1970 (i think) and put the car away, never really drove it i guess.
To look at the photo you'd think it was a nut and bolt restoration, but its all original!

So, did Porsche actually build cars without a VIN in situations like this?
I can't help but think that they had to put some sort of numbers/ID on it.

Did they build any 914s in this same manner?

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interesting discussion - there is a 356 thread that gets into some detail about how Porsche would supply a new body shell w/o VIN if the owner of a wrecked car could prove it was "junked"

Porsche then provided some affirmation that the old VIN was re-asssigned to the fresh shell - for a car in Germany, they would have sent a letter to the TUV validating it's resurrection so that it could be re-registered

- and therefore the new body wore the old VIN and - & as noted above - also likely wore many of the salvaged donor pieces from the old body

dunno if it was ever done in the States (tho, an above post suggests yes)

here is the 356 thread
http://www.abcgt.com/forum/4-356-Forum/290...and-Kardex.html
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"I believe that Porsche required a vin n​r stating that it was destroyed to sell a replacement body.
they did not verify the actual status of the replaced vin.
Providing a good nr was all that was needed to get a new body without buying the entire car.
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Even some dealers would sell cars that had a replacement body and install exchange motors and transmissions and pay the import duty on parts not vehicles.
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isn't re bodied an inaccurate term ​(if) ​
the replacement bodies were new production not a repair?
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Yes, 'replacement' is not a perfect term but is what Porsche used overall. 356 are not VWs where you unbolt the body from the pan. If Porsche says rebodied they meant that a new body was offered as a replacement.
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also see - http://flatsixes.com/cars/porsche-356/myst...e-chassis-1021/
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here's the UK version of re-bodies -
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/rec...lassic-vehicles
heritage MGB bodies can be bought http://www.bmh-ltd.com/bodyshells.htm
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https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm...ak/67052/page1/
" Race cars are a whole 'nother ball game. So may Porsche 917's and 956's were wrecked and rebuilt that the same chassis numbers are now 2 complete cars, and both are legitimate!"
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Vintage Car Law gets into excruciating detail about "re-bodied" cars legality in USA http://www.vintageautomotive.net/?p=356
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if that's not enuf to confuse us all - just google it
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+r...-8&oe=utf-8
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74ravenna   Porsche building cars without a VIN? (911)   Jul 11 2017, 04:53 PM
carr914   It's called "Body in White" and a 91...   Jul 11 2017, 04:55 PM
SirAndy   It's called "Body in White" and a 91...   Jul 11 2017, 05:04 PM
Edward Blume   It's called "Body in White" and a 9...   Jul 11 2017, 05:11 PM
Tom_T   Steve, Since a VIN is technically only a US-DOT ...   Jul 11 2017, 05:14 PM
74ravenna   Thanks for the explanation Tom. Never heard of ...   Jul 11 2017, 05:18 PM
gcrotvik   Porsche PET   Jul 11 2017, 05:33 PM
Tom_T   Porsche PET Yes, I know Greg, But back in 201...   Jul 11 2017, 06:02 PM
gms   I believe a “body in white” was just that, a b...   Jul 11 2017, 06:44 PM
Tom_T   I believe a “body in white” was just that, a ...   Jul 11 2017, 06:55 PM
gms   I believe a “body in white” was just that, a...   Jul 13 2017, 09:24 AM
lalee914   [quote name='Tom_T' post='2505514' date='Jul 11 2...   Jul 15 2017, 08:56 AM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='2505514' date='Jul 11 ...   Jul 15 2017, 09:54 AM
gms   Hi Glenn, According to an e-mail I have from 2004...   Jul 15 2017, 10:39 AM
larryM   .... someone bought 0059 and resurrected that rus...   Jul 15 2017, 11:06 PM
rgalla9146   Earlier than '68 with adjustable lower ball jo...   Jul 11 2017, 07:20 PM
74ravenna   Earlier than '68 with adjustable lower ball j...   Jul 12 2017, 04:33 PM
yellow75   that looks like a 911R. SUPER RARE..   Jul 12 2017, 08:17 AM
rgalla9146   that looks like a 911R. SUPER RARE.. It's...   Jul 12 2017, 04:41 PM
flyer86d   that looks like a 911R. SUPER RARE.. It...   Jul 13 2017, 05:01 AM
gms   that looks like a 911R. SUPER RARE.. It does not...   Jul 13 2017, 09:26 AM
ConeDodger   If he really wants a VIN there's this guy in A...   Jul 12 2017, 04:45 PM
Edward Blume   If he really wants a VIN there's this guy in ...   Jul 12 2017, 11:14 PM
ConeDodger   If he really wants a VIN there's this guy in...   Jul 12 2017, 11:39 PM
Tom_T   If he really wants a VIN there's this guy in ...   Jul 13 2017, 08:10 AM
Dave_Darling   If I'm guessing "the guy you know" ...   Jul 13 2017, 06:07 PM
mepstein   If I'm guessing "the guy you know...   Jul 13 2017, 08:44 PM
ConeDodger   If he really wants a VIN there's this guy in...   Jul 15 2017, 08:19 AM
Tom_T   I'm talking about the guy who sells VIN numbe...   Jul 15 2017, 10:02 AM
larryM   in the British world - you may see titles & pl...   Jul 15 2017, 07:57 PM
porschetub   Was going to start waxing on about an "R...   Jul 12 2017, 11:38 PM
Darren C   "Body in White" is a generic name used b...   Jul 13 2017, 05:15 AM
Tom_T   "Body in White" is a generic name used ...   Jul 13 2017, 07:51 AM
Mark Henry   RD Pete has said one day it may have enough parts ...   Jul 13 2017, 05:17 AM
gms   found replacement body pix   Jul 13 2017, 09:36 AM
gms   I believe this was a 4 cylinder car in the Netherl...   Jul 13 2017, 09:45 AM
Tom_T   Thanx Glen! That's good "documentati...   Jul 13 2017, 09:52 AM
74ravenna   As it turns out there was another photo.   Jul 14 2017, 03:27 PM
rgalla9146   As it turns out there was another photo. E...   Jul 15 2017, 07:24 AM
rhodyguy   Would a title be included for the 6 numbers? Could...   Jul 14 2017, 03:59 PM
Tom_T   Did the cars in white have the wiring installed i...   Jul 14 2017, 04:19 PM
larryM   interesting discussion - there is a 356 thread tha...   Jul 14 2017, 10:47 PM
Big Len   A number of manufacturer's offer these. For ex...   Jul 15 2017, 06:33 AM
larryM   just got my weekly update - interesting to read al...   Jul 16 2017, 11:19 AM
davep   9140430059 was an AFN test car, and used by the pr...   Jul 17 2017, 09:52 AM
larryM   Dave - trying to follow this 0059 history ?? :u...   Aug 9 2017, 02:32 PM


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