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> Grounding through throttle cable, Return spring burned the crap outta me! - SOLVED
clapeza
post Aug 8 2017, 07:14 PM
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Got the FI back in my car (1970 1.7L) and working recently. The PO had cut the throttle cable for the carb conversion, so I installed a new TerryCable.
I noticed that the throttle cable got hot. I figured that the ground strap was corroded or broken (I can see it, but can't get to it now.)

I installed a new ground from the rearmost engine case bolt to the battery ground stud on the passenger side of the engine compartment. I used a generic 4 ga battery ground cable from my FLAPS. One end is on top of the battery ground cable. The other is on the bolt that holds the oil bath air cleaner "shelf". This end of the cable is sandwiched between 2 washers on top of the shelf arm that the bolt goes through, with the nut holding it all down tight.

I cranked the car and it ran easily, and the throttle cable was no longer hot, or even warm. Success? Not so fast...

I then replaced the bushings in the accelerator pedal bracket, so it's nice and smooth now.

Didn't get a chance to crank it because I ran out of time that day.

I cranked it today, and blipped the throttle by hand on the throttle body. I thought I saw a tiny spark at the throttle return spring where it attaches to the rear wall. I touched the spring lightly with my finger and burned the crap out of it! The engine had been running only about 10 seconds at this point.

What gives?

Theory: The new accelerator pedal bushings improved the electrical connection to the body. The new grounding cable isn't making good enough contact to the engine case, so the engine is still preferring to ground through the throttle cable.

Assumption: A 4ga cable connected from the engine case straight to the body where the battery connects is an equal (if not superior) ground compared to the transmission ground strap.

I still plan on inspecting and possibly replacing the transmission ground strap, but I'm curious as to why I burned my finger...

Ideas? Advice?
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post Aug 13 2017, 03:43 PM
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I got a ground cable exactly like the one in Spoke's previous post and connected one end to the alternator mounting bolt, the one shown in the alternator replacement tutorial (http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-419-1197334371.jpg).
The other end is connected to the engine case through a bolt near the taco plate. My previous extra ground cable from the engine case has been disconnected.
As previously said, a new ground strap has been run from the stud under the trunk to the transmission. I couldn't get a wrench on the original ground strap bolt, but I did attach it to a bolt on the transmission case nearby.

With the car on, but not running, I read 0.2v from the spring to the chassis. Car running, it read 8.4v, and got hot again. I did also see that my alternator has been replaced with a remanufactured one at some point in the past, so that opens up a whole can of worms of possibilities.

The engine and the transmission have not been painted.

I'll try to get pics of the spring and throttle body, and to check the voltage at the battery when running. I did that sometime before I got the new throttle cable hooked up, and was seeing about 13.6v while running.

I need to check my alternator gauge bulb. I know the battery shouldn't charge if it's blown, but it seemed to be charging before.

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clapeza   Grounding through throttle cable   Aug 8 2017, 07:14 PM
Racer Chris   The problem is where you have your ground attached...   Aug 8 2017, 07:21 PM
GeorgeRud   I wonder if running the ground strap from a starte...   Aug 8 2017, 08:20 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Electricity follows the path of least resistance.   Aug 8 2017, 08:28 PM
Spoke   I cranked it today, and blipped the throttle by h...   Aug 9 2017, 05:09 AM
clapeza   I cranked it today, and blipped the throttle by ...   Aug 9 2017, 06:26 AM
cali914   Yeah I heard if you don't have a transmission ...   Aug 9 2017, 09:29 AM
clapeza   Yeah I heard if you don't have a transmission...   Aug 9 2017, 09:56 AM
Mikey914   Yeah I heard if you don't have a transmission...   Aug 9 2017, 10:04 AM
Eric_Shea   The factory has a solution. It should really only...   Aug 9 2017, 10:03 AM
clapeza   The factory has a solution. It should really onl...   Aug 9 2017, 12:10 PM
Spoke   When you started your car, did the starter strain ...   Aug 9 2017, 12:55 PM
clapeza   When you started your car, did the starter strain...   Aug 9 2017, 01:13 PM
Spoke   It's the one from the rearmost case bolt in t...   Aug 9 2017, 03:18 PM
clapeza   It's the one from the rearmost case bolt in ...   Aug 9 2017, 06:48 PM
Spoke   Here's a pic of the ground strap I'm using...   Aug 9 2017, 01:05 PM
Tom_T   Clean the connections/studes & cable/strap, ...   Aug 9 2017, 04:18 PM
N_Jay   You grounded the engine, good for stating, but lef...   Aug 9 2017, 04:27 PM
Larmo63   This isn't rocket science.......   Aug 9 2017, 04:32 PM
clapeza   I replaced the transmission ground strap with a ne...   Aug 12 2017, 08:14 PM
Perry Kiehl   Was the transmission or engine case painted? Just...   Aug 13 2017, 01:09 PM
Spoke   That's really funky. Is the alternator chargin...   Aug 13 2017, 01:16 PM
clapeza   I got a ground cable exactly like the one in Spoke...   Aug 13 2017, 03:43 PM
clapeza   I did some voltage testing, all at the battery: Ca...   Aug 13 2017, 05:49 PM
Spoke   This is really weird. The entire engine case, FI c...   Aug 13 2017, 07:04 PM
76-914   Have you tried pulling one fuse at a time until th...   Aug 13 2017, 07:24 PM
Spoke   Have you tried pulling one fuse at a time until t...   Aug 14 2017, 11:01 AM
clapeza   I did some quick testing this afternoon, and came ...   Aug 16 2017, 08:08 PM
Spoke   It is possible that AAR wire is shorting to its ca...   Aug 17 2017, 04:02 AM
Racer Chris   Your plenum must be insulated from the crankcase o...   Aug 17 2017, 06:56 AM
clapeza   GOT IT!! I disconnected the wire to the A...   Aug 17 2017, 05:46 PM


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