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post Aug 13 2017, 09:00 AM
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Seems like it might actually happen...
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-forum/10031...gine-cases.html

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post Aug 13 2017, 09:21 AM
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Wow, huge undertaking.
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post Aug 13 2017, 09:21 AM
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He plans to do 2.0 & 2.7's in aluminum next. It's great to have options.
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post Aug 13 2017, 10:31 AM
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He is on our board and has a 914 conversion with a 2.7 /6.
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post Aug 13 2017, 10:33 AM
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wow, that is crazy and awesome to see.

Still out of my price range however I enjoy seeing other people spend their money and build sweet rides!
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post Aug 13 2017, 12:35 PM
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I just read the details on the Rennlist forum. A very impressive undertaking and I admire your persistence and dedication to this project. You will give builders more options for conversions!
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post Aug 13 2017, 12:50 PM
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It will now be possible to build a complete 911 engine with all American parts.
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post Aug 13 2017, 02:27 PM
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It will now be possible to build a complete 911 engine with all American parts.



hmmm? Still legal for PCA events?
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post Aug 13 2017, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE(Mueller @ Aug 13 2017, 04:27 PM) *

QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Aug 13 2017, 11:50 AM) *

It will now be possible to build a complete 911 engine with all American parts.



hmmm? Still legal for PCA events?

LOL, so true.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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post Aug 13 2017, 07:23 PM
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Cast and HIP'ed is a very high end methodology and will create a metallurgy superior to casting only.

These cases will add to the sustainability and advancement of the aircooled 911 motor. Very nice!!
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post Aug 13 2017, 11:08 PM
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Adam told me he has had meetings with Singer to supply them with cases for their backlog of orders....

Pretty cool.
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post Aug 14 2017, 01:07 AM
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Wow! I'll likely never be able to afford one but its supercool that someone uses the technology available today do recreate these engine cases!
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post Aug 14 2017, 09:53 AM
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Wow! I'll likely never be able to afford one but its supercool that someone uses the technology available today do recreate these engine cases!



Me too, but I'd gladly pay for shipping for a case that failed QC to put on display in my garage (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 14 2017, 11:06 AM
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Thanks very much you guys, I have been working on it for a while. Can you believe this project was originally spurred by my 914?

A couple years ago I was building my 914-6 GT clone, and I was searching everywhere for a 3.6 and couldn't find one. Either I was too late, or the guy wanted 10K for a trashed case or something.

So I decided to build my own.

I can't think of another Porsche that is a frequently engine swapped as the 914 is. To me, it really is all about choices.

So there you have it. Thanks for the interest and kind words!
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post Aug 14 2017, 11:59 AM
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Extremely impressive, well done! I wonder if there would be any repercussions if Porsche found out about this?
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post Aug 14 2017, 12:21 PM
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Very cool!

At that level, sand casting is really as much art and experience as science. HIP post processing is very nice as well.

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Extremely impressive, well done! I wonder if there would be any repercussions is Porsche found out about this?


Not quite the same because Porsche is known for being pretty vigilant, but I know a guy who reverse engineers current/recent production motorcycle engines including almost all internals built all of the major players using white light scans. They are then translated into Solidworks models for use in parts redesign, etc.. In ~3 years of doing it he hasn't received legal correspondence from any of the manufacturers.
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QUOTE(Catorse @ Aug 14 2017, 01:06 PM) *

Thanks very much you guys, I have been working on it for a while. Can you believe this project was originally spurred by my 914?

A couple years ago I was building my 914-6 GT clone, and I was searching everywhere for a 3.6 and couldn't find one. Either I was too late, or the guy wanted 10K for a trashed case or something.

So I decided to build my own.

I can't think of another Porsche that is a frequently engine swapped as the 914 is. To me, it really is all about choices.

So there you have it. Thanks for the interest and kind words!


I'm excited about the new cases. I'm in for one if the price level of under $5K holds.

Once you get other case sizes available this could be the very catalyst to help drive down the costs of 911 engine builds. More case availability means more builds. More volume on associated parts will, hopefully, bring down prices somewhat.
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post Aug 14 2017, 01:59 PM
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QUOTE(jd74914 @ Aug 14 2017, 11:21 AM) *

Very cool!

At that level, sand casting is really as much art and experience as science. HIP post processing is very nice as well.

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Extremely impressive, well done! I wonder if there would be any repercussions is Porsche found out about this?


Not quite the same because Porsche is known for being pretty vigilant, but I know a guy who reverse engineers current/recent production motorcycle engines including almost all internals built all of the major players using white light scans. They are then translated into Solidworks models for use in parts redesign, etc.. In ~3 years of doing it he hasn't received legal correspondence from any of the manufacturers.


I used to RE semiconductor equipment parts from AMAT and LAM as well as others, the only time we got a letter was for assemblies that had patents, the individual parts we never had problems with (and a few of the assemblies I came up with ways to circumvent the patents, one they used a special adhesive and I designed the parts to be snapped together and it worked perfect and was cheaper)

The key was our own packaging and not trying to pass the parts off as OEM, they had our part number and are just replacement parts.

Back to the 3.6 blocks, you could scale them down and offer 3D printed versions for guys to put on their desk!
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Mueller, that is an AWESOME idea. I already spent a small fortune to have the case scanned and a solidworks model made, so I could literally send it somewhere and have them made.

Heck, I want one myself!!!!
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post Aug 14 2017, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Aug 14 2017, 01:59 PM) *

Extremely impressive, well done! I wonder if there would be any repercussions if Porsche found out about this?


Nope, they don't care, out of date.
Besides you can buy billet heads, Nickies, JE's, custom cranks, rods...body kits, suspension, rims, countless items.

Now if you put on it a Porsche part number, Porsche symbols or try to pass it off as an OE part then you will have a problem.
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