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> Desperate for some Help With Microsquirt, Beyond Frustrated
Mblizzard
post Aug 25 2017, 04:54 PM
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I have been trying to get my conversion done in time for Okteenerfest. I have run up against a brick wall and just cant seem to figure out what i am doing wrong.

If anyone can help me by looking at my tune files or providing insight it will be very much appreciated.

I can get th car to idle but nothing beyond that. Any use of the throttle is less than impressive and almost useless. Meaning it bogs down and does not accelerate at all.

I have no clue what i am missing.

2056 with new low impeadance injectors. Bosch Wideband O2 sensor.

Really need some suggestions. Not sure if i can post the tune files here. But will try.
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post Sep 12 2017, 09:41 AM
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Well all is running with just a few minor issues. Most of them self inflicted wounds!

Still working with the idle adjustments and I am seeing some higher CHT temps than I want. Playing with the timing a bit to see if I can get them down. May just wind up adding some more fuel in to cool things off more at cruising speeds.

The one thing I was wondering is because I am not controlling timing yet should I be using the tooth wheel setting? It pulls some adjustment for timing based on rpm from a table which I have set up to mimic the factory timing.

Not sure it makes much difference but I have been struggling with the timing for the CHT temps and not met with much success. Running at above 350 most of the time and it heats up rapidly on hill climbs. In fact I reduces it to about 23 degrees and the temps were worse. So I was wondering if the timing of the fuel injection could be part of this?

Hoping for the best on the trip and because I have the ECU set up with Bluetooth connection and I am running MSDROID on a tablet I should be able to make fuel corrections as need on the trip to Okteenerfest.
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post Sep 17 2017, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(Mblizzard @ Sep 12 2017, 11:41 AM) *

Well all is running with just a few minor issues. Most of them self inflicted wounds!

Still working with the idle adjustments and I am seeing some higher CHT temps than I want. Playing with the timing a bit to see if I can get them down. May just wind up adding some more fuel in to cool things off more at cruising speeds.

The one thing I was wondering is because I am not controlling timing yet should I be using the tooth wheel setting? It pulls some adjustment for timing based on rpm from a table which I have set up to mimic the factory timing.

Not sure it makes much difference but I have been struggling with the timing for the CHT temps and not met with much success. Running at above 350 most of the time and it heats up rapidly on hill climbs. In fact I reduces it to about 23 degrees and the temps were worse. So I was wondering if the timing of the fuel injection could be part of this?

Hoping for the best on the trip and because I have the ECU set up with Bluetooth connection and I am running MSDROID on a tablet I should be able to make fuel corrections as need on the trip to Okteenerfest.


My experience would say you're trying to achieve too lean of AFR especially on WOT or load. I can do 14:1 with my car because it has nickies, but every iron cylinder car I've tested/tuned 13.5:1 is the big load (hill) max, trying to lean it out further has always resulted in skyrocketing head temps. this often is combined with little or no recovery on the downside of the hill.
Frankly once you get beyond a certain head temp heat soak sets in and it will never recover.

You have to totally ignore the results for water cooled cars, they have way more control over head temps and can do the lean burn trick. You have to remember that the aircooled engine is based on a 1930's design. Some say aircooled, some say air/oil cooled, really it's air/oil and fuel charge cooled.
You have to run a bit rich, you have to run at minimum 3K RPM because leaning out and lugging an aircooled will kill the engine PDQ.

I get into arguments about aircooled AFR all the time, least I used too, guys basically saying I'm an idiot and "what does he know".
Then in short order I'll hear thru the grapevine the same person who wouldn't listen to me has dropped a valve seat, etc.
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Mblizzard   Desperate for some Help With Microsquirt   Aug 25 2017, 04:54 PM
Craigers17   Hey Mike, I'm just a newbie here, so I'm ...   Aug 25 2017, 05:29 PM
db9146   Mike, Might want to try the bird board as well. I...   Aug 26 2017, 05:37 AM
Mark Henry   Can you post your build details, or if you already...   Aug 26 2017, 08:02 AM
r_towle   It's too rich   Aug 26 2017, 08:21 AM
jd74914   Even some screen shots of the fuel and timing tabl...   Aug 26 2017, 10:26 AM
Mblizzard   Not sure what's happening but only running on ...   Aug 26 2017, 04:32 PM
Montreal914   Don't give up!!! :cheer: I too ...   Aug 27 2017, 01:33 AM
Mblizzard   Ok so made progress. Had some values wrong made so...   Aug 27 2017, 02:02 PM
Mark Henry   You said you have a bosch wide band. Are you using...   Aug 27 2017, 05:08 PM
ConeDodger   McMark is pretty good with Microsquirt.   Aug 27 2017, 05:48 PM
wndsrfr   I think that first you need to be firing on all 4 ...   Aug 27 2017, 07:14 PM
Mark Henry   I think that first you need to be firing on all 4...   Aug 28 2017, 07:50 AM
jpnovak   you mention the car idles. Does it idle smoothly?...   Aug 27 2017, 09:13 PM
Mblizzard   you mention the car idles. Does it idle smoothly...   Aug 28 2017, 10:05 AM
falcor75   1. Pull the plugs to make SURE you get spark on al...   Aug 27 2017, 10:40 PM
Mblizzard   The specifics Tuner Studios MSv3.0.28 – Firmwa...   Aug 28 2017, 08:42 AM
Mblizzard   The one thing I noticed is that my MAP seem high e...   Aug 28 2017, 08:53 AM
Chris H.   I feel your pain. I have an EG33 so can't hel...   Aug 28 2017, 11:01 AM
Mark Henry   You're running to lean for an aircooled engine...   Aug 28 2017, 11:14 AM
Mblizzard   You're running to lean for an aircooled engin...   Aug 28 2017, 11:55 AM
Mark Henry   Just an FYI, the couple of L-jet systems I've ...   Aug 28 2017, 11:25 AM
Mblizzard   OK so I have gone back through all of the advice g...   Aug 29 2017, 06:28 AM
Mark Henry   OK so I have gone back through all of the advice ...   Aug 29 2017, 07:14 AM
edwin   I'd have a crack at putting the correct inject...   Aug 29 2017, 07:04 AM
jd74914   I'd have a crack at putting the correct injec...   Aug 29 2017, 07:19 AM
Mblizzard   I'd have a crack at putting the correct inje...   Aug 29 2017, 07:39 AM
Mblizzard   Wow. Maybe I am a little sensitive over this now ...   Aug 29 2017, 08:13 AM
jd74914   It does sound like a hardware issue since you...   Aug 29 2017, 08:43 AM
Mblizzard   It does sound like a hardware issue since you...   Aug 29 2017, 08:52 AM
jd74914   If you do into Tools>Injector Test Mode you sho...   Aug 29 2017, 09:07 AM
Mblizzard   If you do into Tools>Injector Test Mode you sh...   Aug 29 2017, 09:17 AM
Mblizzard   OK took a chance and reloaded the firmware to ECU....   Aug 29 2017, 01:07 PM
jd74914   Awesome! Having to reload firmware is a little...   Aug 29 2017, 01:57 PM
Mblizzard   So not quite drivable yet. But certainly running....   Aug 29 2017, 03:29 PM
jd74914   You'll want to look at your O2 sensor to guide...   Aug 29 2017, 04:08 PM
Montreal914   You'll want to look at your O2 sensor to guid...   Aug 29 2017, 08:01 PM
Mblizzard   You'll want to look at your O2 sensor to gui...   Aug 30 2017, 08:43 AM
Mark Henry   I didn't see or missed it , ITB's Or singl...   Aug 30 2017, 11:16 AM
Mblizzard   I didn't see or missed it , ITB's Or sing...   Aug 30 2017, 11:47 AM
mightyohm   I haven't read the whole thread, but I've ...   Aug 30 2017, 11:55 AM
Mblizzard   I haven't read the whole thread, but I've...   Aug 30 2017, 12:11 PM
mightyohm   I guess my $0.02 would be - don't worry a...   Aug 30 2017, 12:15 PM
McMark   Somewhere in the menus you can pull up the 'Re...   Aug 30 2017, 12:34 PM
Mblizzard   Somewhere in the menus you can pull up the 'R...   Aug 30 2017, 12:38 PM
Mark Henry   I think I got caught by the closed loop problem...   Sep 1 2017, 06:49 AM
JamesM   I think I got caught by the closed loop proble...   Sep 1 2017, 10:41 AM
Mblizzard   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2523026' date='Sep...   Sep 1 2017, 10:47 AM
mightyohm   Ahhhh! You have to tune in Open Loop! Al...   Sep 1 2017, 12:37 PM
mightyohm   The closed loop authority is typically pretty low,...   Aug 30 2017, 12:44 PM
McMark   Had to look it up... :D It's under Basic/Load...   Aug 30 2017, 12:44 PM
JamesM   I told myself I wasn't going to get involved i...   Sep 1 2017, 03:08 AM
Mblizzard   I told myself I wasn't going to get involved ...   Sep 1 2017, 07:29 AM
JamesM   Thanks for the help> It is a huge learning c...   Sep 1 2017, 10:29 AM
Mblizzard   Thanks for the help> It is a huge learning ...   Sep 1 2017, 10:34 AM
JamesM   [quote name='JamesM' post='2523113' date='Sep 1 2...   Sep 1 2017, 10:47 AM
Mblizzard   [quote name='JamesM' post='2523113' date='Sep 1 ...   Sep 1 2017, 11:11 AM
McMark   Max flow. The idea is to know what the max those i...   Sep 1 2017, 08:37 AM
Mblizzard   Max flow. The idea is to know what the max those ...   Sep 1 2017, 08:40 AM
McMark   I can see the logic of both approaches: focusing o...   Sep 1 2017, 12:48 PM
JamesM   I can see the logic of both approaches: focusing ...   Sep 1 2017, 02:31 PM
Mblizzard   Thanks to some very sound advice and guidance abov...   Sep 3 2017, 05:55 AM
jimkelly   congratulations ARE in order :thumbsup: Thanks...   Sep 3 2017, 07:26 AM
JamesM   Thanks to some very sound advice and guidance abo...   Sep 3 2017, 10:32 PM
BeatNavy   Congratulations, Mike! Just in time for Oktee...   Sep 3 2017, 06:50 AM
LowBridge   very cool... and congrats on the milestone!   Sep 3 2017, 06:54 AM
76-914   :agree: And thx to James for posting again. I alwa...   Sep 3 2017, 08:40 AM
JamesM   :agree: And thx to James for posting again. I alw...   Sep 3 2017, 09:52 PM
Montreal914   Congrats! :trophy: Enjoy the ride :driving...   Sep 3 2017, 09:06 AM
Mblizzard   James Incorporated your changes and I have a car ...   Sep 6 2017, 08:12 PM
ndfrigi   Hi Mike, congratulation for making your megasquirt...   Sep 6 2017, 10:55 PM
ndfrigi   RE: Desperate for some Help With Microsquirt   Sep 6 2017, 11:00 PM
Mblizzard   Would be happy to help however I can!   Sep 8 2017, 08:18 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   "...i can say that even in this less than per...   Sep 7 2017, 08:25 AM
JamesM   "...i can say that even in this less than pe...   Sep 7 2017, 05:48 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Please do not misunderstand my question, I am an i...   Sep 7 2017, 06:24 PM
Mblizzard   Please do not misunderstand my question, I am an ...   Sep 8 2017, 09:36 AM
poorsche914   :agree: Will be looking at your system closely. ...   Sep 8 2017, 10:14 AM
Mblizzard   :agree: Will be looking at your system closely....   Sep 8 2017, 10:39 AM
JamesM   Please do not misunderstand my question, I am an ...   Sep 8 2017, 12:25 PM
timothy_nd28   2 quick benefits over the stock Djet setup would b...   Sep 7 2017, 07:55 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Thanks for the detailed follow-up James. We basic...   Sep 8 2017, 03:30 PM
StratPlayer   Great read guys, for I am one with a Djet and orig...   Sep 8 2017, 04:34 PM
Mblizzard   Well all is running with just a few minor issues. ...   Sep 12 2017, 09:41 AM
Mark Henry   Well all is running with just a few minor issues....   Sep 17 2017, 04:55 PM
Mblizzard   Well all is running with just a few minor issues...   Sep 17 2017, 06:38 PM
jpnovak   Your post is contradictory. In one line you are c...   Sep 12 2017, 11:36 AM
Mblizzard   Your post is contradictory. In one line you are ...   Sep 12 2017, 11:49 AM
jd74914   I am not controlling time with the Microsquirt. I...   Sep 12 2017, 12:18 PM
Mblizzard   I am not controlling time with the Microsquirt. ...   Sep 12 2017, 12:34 PM
McMark   Injector timing is fixed. There is a setting for ...   Sep 12 2017, 12:46 PM
Mblizzard   Injector timing is fixed. There is a setting for...   Sep 12 2017, 01:07 PM
McMark   Ahhh, that's right. Now I remember how your ig...   Sep 12 2017, 05:17 PM
jpnovak   OK. Clear now. Your original post about timing w...   Sep 15 2017, 10:30 AM
Mblizzard   Well I got a few hundred miles on the car at Oktee...   Sep 17 2017, 11:04 AM
Eric_Shea   We're lucky to have James in our back yard. ...   Sep 18 2017, 11:36 AM
McMark   Just went through configuring a MicroSquirt brain ...   Sep 19 2017, 11:57 AM
Mblizzard   Was just looking through a couple of options for c...   Sep 20 2017, 02:02 PM
Mblizzard   Been looking through the information and i still h...   Sep 20 2017, 03:50 PM
McMark   Ignition is simple. The coil you pictured (and mo...   Sep 20 2017, 04:01 PM
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