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> Easy as 1 2 3, Got it yesterday, pushed all projects aside!
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post Sep 28 2017, 03:54 PM
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Got the 123Ignition yesterday, I pushed all of my projects back!
"Sorry granny I'll get to those bearings on your heart/lung machine soon, I promise."
Blocked out 3 hours for the removal and install.
Added about an hour to charge the battery.
Installed as expected, there is a spacer that is necessary for type 4, just slides over the dizzy shaft.
I decided to route the wires and vacuum away from the fan so access to the vacuum nipple was easier, since the vacuum can is gone there's a lot more space.
Followed the instructions but made the mistake of using the TDC 0* instead of the 27* as the basic timing point. I just walked the dizzy CCW until she started!
Didn't do anything other than matched my timing with my idle, I let her run till she settled down.
Just around the block once, ha ha the trailer hitching is GONE!
Responsive throttle, man!
Setting up a tuning session, nice 150 mile run up the California coast with the AFR meter.
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post Oct 30 2017, 12:15 PM
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I took her out for an early spin on Saturday, 68*F ran like "Jeckell" BOY HOUDY...

Using up the last 3 gals of the 94 octane, mostly 14 fwy, 85 mph uphill

I decided to remove the vacuum retard hose and cap the throttle body, I did have idle issues. I tried to get the best balance between day and night, driving lights off and on.

I seem to have an issue with "hot start," five to ten minutes in a store to pick up something and wham.
My usual procedure is to press the throttle and feed some air, but that was not working. Getting the engine to start was a bit more difficult. I needed to floor the accelorator pedal holding it until the engine fired and than feathering the pedal so the engine wouldn't stall, not what I call ideal. But after a minute or two a stable idle.

Ok after a good 60 + mile ride, time for fuel. Second Wind sugested Chevron premium 91 octane, as a good quality gas, so 8 gals of 91, outside temps low 80's*F.
Out of the station and right onto the freeway on ramp, and floored the accelorator and wham, ping, lots of it!

So immediately there is a change, it is directly related to the octane of the fuel.
Next test is to drive in a lower temperature environment to see it the ping is present at mid 60's*F.
I'm going to wait till the moisture clears up a bit here in Los Angeles as a storm moves through.


What I may need here is some advise as to what I can do to run without ping using pump fuel.
I'm in L.A. it's a good 30 mile trek to get some of the 100 octane "race fuel" and real fuel additives as octane boosters are not to be found on the shelves of the general flaps.

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post Oct 30 2017, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 30 2017, 10:15 AM) *

I took her out for an early spin on Saturday, 68*F ran like "Jeckell" BOY HOUDY...

Using up the last 3 gals of the 94 octane, mostly 14 fwy, 85 mph uphill

I decided to remove the vacuum retard hose and cap the throttle body, I did have idle issues. I tried to get the best balance between day and night, driving lights off and on.

I seem to have an issue with "hot start," five to ten minutes in a store to pick up something and wham.
My usual procedure is to press the throttle and feed some air, but that was not working. Getting the engine to start was a bit more difficult. I needed to floor the accelorator pedal holding it until the engine fired and than feathering the pedal so the engine wouldn't stall, not what I call ideal. But after a minute or two a stable idle.

Ok after a good 60 + mile ride, time for fuel. Second Wind sugested Chevron premium 91 octane, as a good quality gas, so 8 gals of 91, outside temps low 80's*F.
Out of the station and right onto the freeway on ramp, and floored the accelorator and wham, ping, lots of it!

So immediately there is a change, it is directly related to the octane of the fuel.
Next test is to drive in a lower temperature environment to see it the ping is present at mid 60's*F.
I'm going to wait till the moisture clears up a bit here in Los Angeles as a storm moves through.


What I may need here is some advise as to what I can do to run without ping using pump fuel.
I'm in L.A. it's a good 30 mile trek to get some of the 100 octane "race fuel" and real fuel additives as octane boosters are not to be found on the shelves of the general flaps.


Of course the obvious is to reduce the timing a bit.

On the 1,2,3 I found that the cap could move around a bit and add a few degrees of timing to the problem just by knocking it about. Something to check for sure.

Also may want to check your compression to be sure that you have equal values across.
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mgphoto   Easy as 1 2 3   Sep 28 2017, 03:54 PM
76-914   Got the 123Ignition yesterday, I pushed all of my...   Sep 28 2017, 04:26 PM
Porschef   What was the distributor that you replaced with th...   Sep 28 2017, 05:10 PM
mgphoto   What was the distributor that you replaced with t...   Sep 28 2017, 05:32 PM
Montreal914   Nice! What's your engine, induction system...   Sep 29 2017, 08:26 AM
mgphoto   Nice! What's your engine, induction syste...   Sep 29 2017, 11:33 AM
Mblizzard   Really liked my 1 2 3. Did you get the programmab...   Sep 29 2017, 10:50 AM
mgphoto   Really liked my 1 2 3. Did you get the programma...   Sep 30 2017, 01:40 PM
914_teener   Really liked my 1 2 3. Did you get the programm...   Sep 30 2017, 02:13 PM
StratPlayer   Been running my 123 dist. for about a year now, mo...   Sep 29 2017, 07:24 PM
pete000   This has been on my want list for a while now. W...   Sep 29 2017, 08:49 PM
mgphoto   This has been on my want list for a while now. ...   Sep 30 2017, 01:37 PM
Porschef   :popcorn: :popcorn: :idea:   Sep 30 2017, 05:05 AM
StratPlayer   I bought mine from the manufacturer.   Sep 30 2017, 12:07 PM
mgphoto   Now for the ugly. I am Sorry, I am SORRY, I AM SO...   Sep 30 2017, 02:25 PM
pete000   Mine likes to run around 210 on the oil...   Sep 30 2017, 05:46 PM
Porschef   :popcorn: :popcorn: :rolleyes:   Oct 1 2017, 10:12 AM
mgphoto   OK so I am going through the ignition wiring, the ...   Oct 2 2017, 04:30 PM
cuddyk   Maybe a coil that's on its way out? Mine behav...   Oct 2 2017, 05:31 PM
123ignitionusa   Maybe a coil that's on its way out? Mine beha...   Nov 6 2017, 04:22 PM
Vacca Rabite   Ive got the 123 for my Bmw2002. I have yet to put...   Oct 3 2017, 10:31 AM
JoeD   Also been running a 123 on my 2270 dual-carbed Rab...   Oct 3 2017, 01:37 PM
mgphoto   So the miss I find is a loose injector connector, ...   Oct 24 2017, 11:36 AM
BeatNavy   Cool, thanks for the pictures. So now I know it...   Oct 24 2017, 12:59 PM
mgphoto   Cool, thanks for the pictures. So now I know it...   Oct 24 2017, 01:58 PM
Vacca Rabite   Sounds like you are well on the way. I hate electr...   Oct 24 2017, 12:10 PM
mgphoto   We all have a need to see.   Oct 24 2017, 12:26 PM
mgphoto   Don't know why they are 90* off in the post bu...   Oct 24 2017, 12:31 PM
mgphoto   FYI type 4 needs a spacer which should come with t...   Oct 24 2017, 12:34 PM
mgphoto   I took her out for an early spin on Saturday, 68*F...   Oct 30 2017, 12:15 PM
Mblizzard   I took her out for an early spin on Saturday, 68*...   Oct 30 2017, 01:42 PM
mgphoto   I took her out for an early spin on Saturday, 68...   Oct 30 2017, 02:07 PM
pete000   If the car did not ping with the stock distributor...   Oct 30 2017, 02:13 PM
914_teener   If the car did not ping with the stock distributo...   Oct 30 2017, 09:23 PM
mgphoto   If the car did not ping with the stock distributo...   Oct 31 2017, 10:45 AM
Rand   Early spark is the most common cause. Cylinder pr...   Oct 30 2017, 02:27 PM
Philip W.   i agree that your timing has to be off but also yo...   Oct 30 2017, 07:53 PM
mepstein   Our cars run on regular fuel. Unless modified, the...   Oct 30 2017, 08:20 PM
Rand   When you change a part that affects timing and you...   Oct 30 2017, 08:29 PM
mgphoto   I Rebuilt this dizzy when I built the motor about ...   Oct 31 2017, 10:49 AM
mgphoto   Ok this engine is not stock. J&E forged ...   Oct 31 2017, 11:16 AM
Mblizzard   Not sure this is helpful but attached is the curve...   Oct 31 2017, 12:57 PM
mgphoto   Ok nothing has changed, I did nothing to the car e...   Oct 31 2017, 03:07 PM
KELTY360   Ok nothing has changed, I did nothing to the car ...   Nov 6 2017, 05:51 PM
BeatNavy   I just ordered a new Bosch (Blue) coil, new plugs,...   Nov 6 2017, 05:51 PM
mgphoto   about 3 gallon of techron 91 left in the tank, too...   Nov 7 2017, 09:58 AM
mgphoto   Running on the last 2 gallons of the Chevron, I de...   Nov 13 2017, 03:37 PM


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