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914 clock repair?, reasonable recommendation |
drem914 |
Oct 7 2017, 05:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,027 Joined: 16-May 08 From: Trabuco Canyon, CA Member No.: 9,062 Region Association: Southern California |
Just purchased a clock as part of group of center console gauges online from someone that said it was working when they pulled the console out. It was the only one of the three (volt and temp) that was not all scratched up. It was completely frozen. Now I have 2 that don't work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
I went to North Hollywood Speedo and they said "Service on these can range from $195 to $385. 1-5 day turn around." I don't need a clock that bad.... Anyone have recommendation for a reasonable repair on the center console clock? (later model) |
914_7T3 |
Oct 7 2017, 05:24 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,846 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
Just purchased a clock as part of group of center console gauges online from someone that said it was working when they pulled the console out. It was the only one of the three (volt and temp) that was not all scratched up. It was completely frozen. Now I have 2 that don't work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) I went to North Hollywood Speedo and they said "Service on these can range from $195 to $385. 1-5 day turn around." I don't need a clock that bad.... Anyone have recommendation for a reasonable repair on the center console clock? (later model) Update 12/15/18 Based on an other user's experience, this post has been scrubbed to no longer provide endorsement of a different vendor. |
jack20 |
Oct 8 2017, 12:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 406 Joined: 7-November 14 From: Granite Bay, CA Member No.: 18,099 Region Association: Northern California |
PM me.
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Elliot Cannon |
Oct 8 2017, 12:41 AM
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914 Guru Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None |
Hah! Who needs a clock when you have one of these? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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worn |
Oct 8 2017, 09:06 AM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,144 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
So true. My 914 clock I bought from eBay tends to gain time - if only I had bought one of those watches. The brit car guys hang a wristwatch on the dash. |
914_7T3 |
Oct 8 2017, 12:36 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,846 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
So true. My 914 clock I bought from eBay tends to gain time - if only I had bought one of those watches. The brit car guys hang a wristwatch on the dash. Under the VDO sticker on the back of the clock is an adjustment screw. Give that a go. |
Mikey914 |
Oct 8 2017, 02:27 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
Just putting this out there, but may be worth a peek inside. Maybe there is a Uribe video of someone doing this. I know your not the 1st.
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Mike Bellis |
Oct 8 2017, 02:40 PM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
I repaired a VW T3 clock by opening it. The clock uses a solenoid and a spring winder. The wore broke off the solenoid. A quick resolder job was all that was required. I imagine the Porsche clock has a similar mechanism.
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Mikey914 |
Oct 8 2017, 02:47 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None |
My thoughts exactly. You started with a broken clock, you may be able to fix. If you do a thread may be in order. I have a feeling it could be a simple process.
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914Sixer |
Oct 8 2017, 06:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,863 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Isn't there something over at Pelican about fixing 911 clock. It should be the same for 914.
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Coondog |
Oct 8 2017, 09:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
Isn't there something over at Pelican about fixing 911 clock. It should be the same for 914. Yes they have a good tech article. After reading it I think most people will still send them in to get fixed. The following isn’t it. 1973 Porsche 914 Clocks The 1973 and very early 1974 Porsche 914 clock is a spring-driven unit that uses intermittent electrical charges to rewind the spring. There is a tiny adjustment screw on the rear of the gauge to speed or slow the clock as necessary. The driving mechanism is accessible via removal of three 5 mm nuts and subsequently a white plastic cover from the rear. Initial removal of the rear cover requires breaking off a wax-filled plastic enclosure surrounding one of the nuts (pictured at right) which probably invalidates any warranty (no-doubt already expired). The clock face, needles and inside of the lens are accessible only by prying off the molded steel bezel ring. Failure of these VDO "Kienzle" clocks, part number 914 641 119 10, generally results from the triggering of a spring-loaded, thermal-solder "fuse" connection that can be easily repaired with a needle-type solder gun. This fuse is clearly identified and described on a sticker affixed to the side of the removable rear plastic cover. 1974 - 1976 Porsche 914 Clocks The VDO clocks used in the 1974-1976 Porsche 914 center console are sealed units with the mechanisms accessible only by prying off the molded steel bezel ring. This later "Quarz-Zeit" clock is more accurate but also more prone to failure. The driving mechanism is a small motor as opposed to the spring-driven design in the 1973 models. The "Quarz-Zeit" clock, also designated part number 914 641 119 10, commonly suffers from motor failure or plastic gear/shaft breakage, rendering the unit inoperable. |
914_7T3 |
Oct 8 2017, 10:06 PM
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Please forgive me, I'm new to all of this! Group: Members Posts: 1,846 Joined: 3-April 17 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 20,991 Region Association: Southern California |
NoHo Speedo changes the movement of all clocks to modern day Quartz Movement. On a '73, Specialty Gauge will repair to the original movement, so for those into originality its the way to go. Love the fact that you can hear the mechanism when the car is not running.
The more original, the better IMHO. |
914Tom |
Oct 9 2017, 12:13 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 122 Joined: 11-February 07 From: Germany Member No.: 7,526 |
Depending on the malfunction .
If the Clock still Ticks, maybe a little amount of WD40, applied through/along the Center Shaft, my help. On my Clock, it worked. If not, maybe it is consolation, the Time is right twice a day (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
Nogoodwithusernames |
Oct 9 2017, 01:37 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 235 Joined: 31-May 16 From: Nor-Cal Member No.: 20,051 Region Association: None |
1973 Porsche 914 Clocks The 1973 and very early 1974 Porsche 914 clock is a spring-driven unit that uses intermittent electrical charges to rewind the spring. There is a tiny adjustment screw on the rear of the gauge to speed or slow the clock as necessary. The driving mechanism is accessible via removal of three 5 mm nuts and subsequently a white plastic cover from the rear. Initial removal of the rear cover requires breaking off a wax-filled plastic enclosure surrounding one of the nuts (pictured at right) which probably invalidates any warranty (no-doubt already expired). The clock face, needles and inside of the lens are accessible only by prying off the molded steel bezel ring. Failure of these VDO "Kienzle" clocks, part number 914 641 119 10, generally results from the triggering of a spring-loaded, thermal-solder "fuse" connection that can be easily repaired with a needle-type solder gun. This fuse is clearly identified and described on a sticker affixed to the side of the removable rear plastic cover. 1974 - 1976 Porsche 914 Clocks The VDO clocks used in the 1974-1976 Porsche 914 center console are sealed units with the mechanisms accessible only by prying off the molded steel bezel ring. This later "Quarz-Zeit" clock is more accurate but also more prone to failure. The driving mechanism is a small motor as opposed to the spring-driven design in the 1973 models. The "Quarz-Zeit" clock, also designated part number 914 641 119 10, commonly suffers from motor failure or plastic gear/shaft breakage, rendering the unit inoperable. Sounds like your clock (per above from Coondog, at lest for the earlier clock) might be pretty similar to the VW Type 3 style clocks which have the same issue of the "fuse" going out. Do a quick search on the samba and a few threads should show up if you want some more details. I haven't fixed mine, so I can't help too much, I just know of the issue and that lots of people have fixed it easily. |
drem914 |
Oct 9 2017, 09:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,027 Joined: 16-May 08 From: Trabuco Canyon, CA Member No.: 9,062 Region Association: Southern California |
The hands, for the original one, that is still in the car,, work smoothly and i swapped the bulb to an LED bulb and lit up nicely under power. i was hoping to avoid taking a clock apart (I did that once when I was a kid and that did not go very well) and just swap the replacement in and walk away. The hands on the one I received will not even turn. It appears to be seized up and I doubt will work. I will try to take that one apart first and see if the pelican fix works. If not, then I'll see what I do with the other. thanks for the recommendations and options
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914bub |
Sep 15 2018, 06:25 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 16-August 13 From: Modesto CA. Member No.: 16,260 Region Association: None |
The hands, for the original one, that is still in the car,, work smoothly and i swapped the bulb to an LED bulb and lit up nicely under power. i was hoping to avoid taking a clock apart (I did that once when I was a kid and that did not go very well) and just swap the replacement in and walk away. The hands on the one I received will not even turn. It appears to be seized up and I doubt will work. I will try to take that one apart first and see if the pelican fix works. If not, then I'll see what I do with the other. thanks for the recommendations and options @drem914 I know your last post was almost a year ago but I was wondering if you ever fixed your clock? |
North Coast Jim |
Sep 15 2018, 07:40 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 11-December 15 From: Northern Ohio Member No.: 19,450 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Just purchased a clock as part of group of center console gauges online from someone that said it was working when they pulled the console out. It was the only one of the three (volt and temp) that was not all scratched up. It was completely frozen. Now I have 2 that don't work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) I went to North Hollywood Speedo and they said "Service on these can range from $195 to $385. 1-5 day turn around." I don't need a clock that bad.... Anyone have recommendation for a reasonable repair on the center console clock? (later model) I also recommend Corey Shepard of Specialty Gauge. He redid all my guages. cleaned them up from 45+ years of dust and dirt accumulation as well. Bright guages now and all work as expected. He's also a 914 World member and vendor |
North Coast Jim |
Sep 15 2018, 07:43 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 323 Joined: 11-December 15 From: Northern Ohio Member No.: 19,450 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The hands, for the original one, that is still in the car,, work smoothly and i swapped the bulb to an LED bulb and lit up nicely under power. i was hoping to avoid taking a clock apart (I did that once when I was a kid and that did not go very well) and just swap the replacement in and walk away. The hands on the one I received will not even turn. It appears to be seized up and I doubt will work. I will try to take that one apart first and see if the pelican fix works. If not, then I'll see what I do with the other. thanks for the recommendations and options If you push the minute hand too deep on the post it will hit the gauge face mounting screw, hence no more movement. Take it out and investigate that first. It happens |
914bub |
Sep 15 2018, 07:58 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 16-August 13 From: Modesto CA. Member No.: 16,260 Region Association: None |
The hands, for the original one, that is still in the car,, work smoothly and i swapped the bulb to an LED bulb and lit up nicely under power. i was hoping to avoid taking a clock apart (I did that once when I was a kid and that did not go very well) and just swap the replacement in and walk away. The hands on the one I received will not even turn. It appears to be seized up and I doubt will work. I will try to take that one apart first and see if the pelican fix works. If not, then I'll see what I do with the other. thanks for the recommendations and options If you push the minute hand too deep on the post it will hit the gauge face mounting screw, hence no more movement. Take it out and investigate that first. It happens Jim Thanks. I found Cory's info in this thread as well as elsewhere online. I sent him an email. Looks like he charges $109. That seems very reasonable. I'm part way through trying to retrofit another mechanism into one of my clocks and will likely try to finish that as I've gone too far to turn back but I have others I can send him. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Sep 15 2018, 08:43 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,811 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
right now we are in the process of making a reproduction 914 clock identical in every way to the original but just not with the VDO on the face. We will be selling it along with the installation gasket for no more than 95.00 an hopefully cheaper
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