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> 123 Distributor Group Buy Thread, Replacement for NLA stock Dizzy's-Order 15 % Discount
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post Oct 19 2017, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 10:56 AM) *

I'm not at the debug with the manufacture yet, I'm trying to rule out all my mistakes first.
I'm just saying 95*C?

European website states 100*


100*C is 212*F (I think. Shoot now I'm doubting my metric. I think 100*C is the point where water boils....)

I checked, I'm good. So if your unit is rated to 100*C ambient, that equates to 212*F ambient. I don't care where you live, if the ambient temps can boil water, you have concerns larger then driving around. ;-)

You should be well within spec. I'd still call 123 and talk to someone, or start the email conversation. As the guy who puts off doing these things (just ask McMark), I can tell you it gets easier when you just suck it up and admit when you need a bit of help. I'm STILL learning that lesson. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) I've wasted about 3 years on my build due to being stubborn.

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post Oct 19 2017, 09:13 AM
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I agree with Zach....my coffee is kicking in.
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post Oct 19 2017, 09:25 AM
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Sorry that project and gam-gam have to wait, I'm in the middle of a paint cycle.


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post Oct 19 2017, 09:57 AM
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I’m in for. DJet version.
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post Oct 19 2017, 10:14 AM
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Okay cool.

Ed asked me to get a head count. I.ll update the first page. I.m in for sure so we only need 4 more for the 10% and then 5 more in three weeks for then extra 5%.

I personally am not comcerned about temperature issues.

What this means is that my new dizzy is about 4 weeks out with shipping and my plan is to install it in my 1.7 and keep the stock onenas a spare. Once the 2.0 is done I.ll swap back.

I.ll update the first page when I get home from work.
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post Oct 19 2017, 12:59 PM
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QUOTE(914_teener @ Oct 19 2017, 12:22 AM) *

Obviously I.ve asked Ed to speak for this as i am only interested in the D-jet model.

All models that he offers are applicable to the group buy according to Ed and as long as he has a head count by Monday we are good to go. and any questions can be addressed to Ed.

I.ll keep the thread bumped if neccesarry for the next three weeks.

I'm in for 1 D-Jet model.
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post Oct 19 2017, 01:23 PM
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So for the D-Jet model, am I to understand that:

"Hardcoded advance curves with no vacuum, no bluetooth, with output for D-Jet This is the unit to choose for stock D-Jet users."

This means no more need for the NLA vacuum can and the advance/retard ports it would connect to on the throttle body can be capped off? This is also a replacement solution for the trigger points.

Si? Please confirm.

What mechanism exactly replaces the trigger points and is it electronic or mechanical (can it wear out)? Can these dizzys be repaired/rebuilt/serviced either DIY or by sending back the the mfr?

If so, this sounds like a great solution for the HTF/NLA trigger points and vacuum cans.

There would be no reason now to replace D-jet injection because of HTF /non-existent parts. All wear parts are available MPS, trigger points, injectors, harnesses, sensors.
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post Oct 19 2017, 01:36 PM
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Looking at the manual, D-Jet specific distributor can be ordered with a vacuum option, add V before the IE in the part number. No idea if needed or wanted for a D-Jet vehicle.
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post Oct 19 2017, 02:01 PM
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I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?
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post Oct 19 2017, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 19 2017, 03:01 PM) *

I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?

This is just an assumption, but I doubt it has mechanical vacuum advance/retard. I would think there would be an integral MAP sensor which then allowed use of a 3D timing table with engine speed and manifold pressure axes vs. a 2D with only engine speed.
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post Oct 19 2017, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 19 2017, 01:01 PM) *

I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?

Single vacuum port, if I have it correct the '74 D-Jet retard port only should connect to the dizzy vacuum port and switch set to B.
'73 advance port connects to dizzy and switch set to #1.
But I could be wrong.


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post Oct 19 2017, 03:24 PM
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Would the GB include the /6 distributor? Anybody use one for a 2.4 / 2.7 / 3.0?



Inquiring minds want to know.

I also have a friend with a Fiat that would probably buy if the discount could apply.
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post Oct 19 2017, 03:25 PM
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Sorry that project and gam-gam have to wait, I'm in the middle of a paint cycle.


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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 19 2017, 01:01 PM) *

I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?


This is a great question and I had paid it particular attention.

Brad Anders addressed the stock functional characteristics last year to his web page. The change came in 74 apparently.

I am assuming.....and that is a BIG word that the vacuum porting is for the retard function.

It also matters which port that pipes to rhe dizzy. Retard ports are in a different location as noted in your drawing Jeff.

I need to also make this confirmation as well as the TB I have is a 74. I think I.m going to call Ed about this. I am curious if those that have one on Djet set up on stock system alteady can answer this?
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QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 02:15 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Oct 19 2017, 01:01 PM) *

I thought if it had 'hardcoded advance curves" a vacuum can for advance/retard would be redundant and unnecessary. My stock '74 2.0L does not have a vacuum advance, only retard, but the 73 2.0L has an advance.

Does this 123 dizzy for stock D-jet provide the advance/retard functions to replace the vacuum can?

Single vacuum port, if I have it correct the '74 D-Jet retard port only should connect to the dizzy vacuum port and switch set to B.
'73 advance port connects to dizzy and switch set to #1.
But I could be wrong.


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post Oct 19 2017, 04:39 PM
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Single vacuum port, if I have it correct the '74 D-Jet retard port only should connect to the dizzy vacuum port and switch set to B.
'73 advance port connects to dizzy and switch set to #1.
But I could be wrong.

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Yes you could be.
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From the install manual.

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post Oct 19 2017, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(pete000 @ Oct 19 2017, 02:25 PM) *

QUOTE(mgphoto @ Oct 19 2017, 08:25 AM) *

Sorry that project and gam-gam have to wait, I'm in the middle of a paint cycle.


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Blocked and shot with sealer, tomorrow color.
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post Oct 19 2017, 05:15 PM
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Single vacuum port, if I have it correct the '74 D-Jet retard port only should connect to the dizzy vacuum port and switch set to B.
'73 advance port connects to dizzy and switch set to #1.
But I could be wrong.

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Yes you could be.
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From the install manual.

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So for the benifit of the other readers what year is your D-jet system and what vacum port did you tap for the 123 Dizzy.

Can you post picture of the distributor installed and leave the hood on another thread please?

Thanks.
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post Oct 19 2017, 05:19 PM
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Who ever installed stratplayer's (Jim) should know the details. Does the 123 take the MPS out of the equation?
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No Kevin,

Trigger points and vacuum advance can. Two NLA items.

Good idea. Jims is a stock 74 IIRC?
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