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Ruprect006
post Oct 19 2017, 03:29 PM
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I am new to the 914 scene. I am the proud new owner of my uncle's '73 914 2.0. He drove it off the lot and it is all original. It was in storage for 37 years and I just got it out a couple weeks ago and it is now in my garage. It has 15,506 miles on it.

My questions are about what to do now. I don't want to do anything that would hurt the original condition of it and therefore the value.

The first item in question is the fuel system. I took the fuel tank out and there was a hole eaten in the side of it. Fortunately only a little of the "gas/oil/tar" had oozed out. I cleaned up the compartment and it looks good!

So since the tank needs to be replaced, do I just order a reman one and that is okay for staying original?

While the tank is out, should I just clean out the original fuel lines, or is it still considered original if I replace them all with new? And would a set of SS lines from Tangerine Racing be good, or would that be frowned upon as not original?

Haven't touched the fuel filter and pump yet, but same question regarding refurbishing or replacing and not hurting the value.

Thanks for any insights and direction!

Oh, and yes I do have the center caps. In case that sticks out to you in the photo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Oct 20 2017, 01:55 AM
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Well you got a treasure! Congratulations on becoming the next caretaker.

Getting it insured at a Full Appraised "Agreed Value" policy with Hagerty, Grundy, or one of the others that specialize in classic Porsches etc. should be your 1st priority - even sitting as is.

There are several insurers who advertise in the PCA Panorama magazine, & joining PCA is worth the $46 for that excellent magazine alone, in addition to the other member benefits, activities, Porsche parts discounts, etc.

Order a COA from PCNA while your at it (small PCA discount), & hopefully you have the original window sticker from your uncle to send them a copy with your application, since they're notorious for F-ing them up! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

As others said, get documentation to confirm the 15K miles, or whatever it is. At this point even115K would be good, & 15K would be uber-rare.

You'll want to try to find an old school Porsche, VW mechanic near you who is well versed in 914s to help guide you with what to do, & with what parts.

Also as others have said, look at what maintenance items would've been done over time since stored, & do those - primarily the soft rubber parts, hoses & lines which would've been aged by now to where they won't be safe: brake, vacuum & fuel lines, master cylinder & brake caliper seals, etc. Most of these can still be had in stock form (see fuel lines note below).

There is a chance that the tunnel plastic fuel lines may be okay if only 15K miles then stored, but if they need replaced, then the SS ones would be acceptable without damaging originality value. So do them if needed with the Tangerine ones or similar.

The used & reconditioned fuel tank noted by others from another 73 1.7 or 2.0, or a 74 2.0 or 1.8, or earlier 914/4 1.7 would be the way to go, since I'm not aware of any repro tank anyway. Check the mesh fuel "sock" at the tank outlet too, & replace if necessary.

I think that you can get the square box type fuel filters still from VW parts suppliers, & IIRC GoWesty carries them for the early aircooled Vanagon 2.0s & late Bay Window 1.6 & 2.0 Vans.

Once all rubber lines & the tank etc. are refitted, then just try the fuel pump, as it may be fine, or may just need a flushing of the old fuel & "varnish" or sludge from the old fuel. It may not need to be replaced. If you need to replace it, then hopefully you can find an NOS correct 3-port pump, or a good used or rebuilt one.

Don't try to start the engine nor drive the car until all of the recommissioning items are done, new fluids all around, etc

Depending on when your 73 was built, it could have 1 or 2 Recalls on it, that I'm betting weren't done since it was driven so little then stored (if 15K). If either or both were never done, then Porsche will still need to do them at their cost, but you'll need to call PCNA to arrange for one of their Service DMs to come out to your place to inspect the car, then will schedule you for the repair(s).

1. - ALL 914s are subject to the HO Recall, which replaces the cloth covered fuel lines with rubber exterior ones, & replaces the "T" shaped battery cover with a full battery rectangular cover.

2. - The 73s up to about December 1972 production dates +/- are also subject to the BO Recall, which involves inspecting that the correct "hub-centric" wheels were fitted on the car, which have a groove of inset around the inside of the center hole to seat properly on the new-for-73-MY self-centering front hubs. The proper wheels will end in a xxxx.01 part number on the back, the wrong ones with xxxx.00.

Another item you may want to do, which was the subject of a Porsche Service Bulletin, is the relocation of the fuel pump from the mid-engine compartment, up to the front of the car up behind the steering rack cover plate, just below the fuel tank compartment & just to the right/passenger side of the round portal in the front firewall where the fuel lines from the tunnel daylight. Auto Atlanta sells a FP relocation kit which is essentially the same as what the factory supplied to the dealers to move the pump. It was done to eliminate vapor lock due to the pump & lines getting too hot in the engine compartment, & applies to ALL 70-74 914s of both 4 & 6 flavors (the factory relocated them to the front for 75-76 MYs & changed to a 2-port pump to solve that problem). You'll want to do the fix as per the Service Bulletin, & not some of the other alternatives which others have done on here, in order to preserve it's originality.

If/when the Heat Exchanger/Exhaust Pipes (HE) need replacing, then you'll probably have to use the SSI stainless steel HEs, but you can have them painted in the Porsche Exhaust Grey color to look closer to OE. Dansk makes/sells those & the 2.0 "Banana" Muffler replacements as the current OEM, & they're also sold through other Porsche dealers & parts retailers. There's an outside chance that you may find either in an NOS from somebody, but few & far between.

Tires will be another issue, since the Michelin XAS 165HR15 tires are tube type, as are IIRC the Pirelli of the day, & they're pricey; while there is a non-period Blockley 165HR15 with the dog-bone tread pattern very similar to the Dunlop SP57s & Semperit M401/M501 tires of the day. Try Lucas Tires in Long Beach CA online, & note that any tire which you can find on their UK sister company Longstone Tyre can be brought here by Lucas. I think I'd stick with one of those 3 tires, given your extremely low mile & original 914, but you can read through the Wheels & Tires nailed thread in the Originality & History (O&H) Forum on here.

These recall, service bulletin & substituted parts items are generally considered acceptable for originality.

There are also lots of other good guidance in the O&H under nailed threads, including the tires & wheels, "The few, the rare..." (on all original cars - get pix of yours on there too), "The Legend of the 914S", etc. which will help guide you. Other good resources include Jeff Bowlsby's Classic 914 website, & p914.com (& .net & .org).

Do a good deal of research to see what is original on your car, before you start mucking around, so that you know what to keep & what not.

Also, keep that beauty garaged & out of the hurricane/tornado/T-storm flood waters/winds/etc. down there in the FL Panhandle.

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Ruprect006   Direction and Advice to stay "Original"   Oct 19 2017, 03:29 PM
My 914   Congratulations!! A low mileage 914 comes...   Oct 19 2017, 03:46 PM
mgphoto   Kiss, keep it stock silly. Yes update the fuel lin...   Oct 19 2017, 03:53 PM
Ruprect006   Kiss, keep it stock silly. Yes update the fuel li...   Oct 26 2017, 11:18 AM
GeorgeRud   You should find a good used tank, have it boiled o...   Oct 19 2017, 03:58 PM
Coondog   You should find a good used tank, have it boiled ...   Oct 19 2017, 04:07 PM
Ruprect006   You should find a good used tank, have it boiled ...   Oct 26 2017, 11:28 AM
burton73   Welcome to the 914World. A lot of original cars h...   Oct 19 2017, 04:08 PM
burton73   All what my 914 Brothers said.   Oct 19 2017, 04:10 PM
Racer   Well, whats the plan for the car? If keeping it a ...   Oct 19 2017, 04:27 PM
turbonet   If its reversible it doesn't matter. Keep your...   Oct 19 2017, 04:31 PM
DM_2000   Photo document the car and save every old part you...   Oct 19 2017, 04:53 PM
kahluver   I agree with everyone's advice. Keep in min...   Oct 19 2017, 09:30 PM
914 7T3   Great Original Car! All great advice from the...   Oct 19 2017, 10:28 PM
Tom_T   Well you got a treasure! Congratulations on b...   Oct 20 2017, 01:55 AM
Ruprect006   I am sorry for the delay in this post. I had some...   Oct 25 2017, 11:03 PM
thelogo   Be smart about this now Drop the 2.0 og f.i...   Oct 25 2017, 11:17 PM
DM_2000   Also remove the odometer. Nothing like a bi...   Oct 26 2017, 05:14 PM
thelogo   Also remove the odometer. Nothing like a b...   Oct 26 2017, 08:20 PM
KELTY360   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542215' date='Oct 26...   Oct 26 2017, 08:51 PM
The Cabinetmaker   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542215' date='Oct 2...   Oct 29 2017, 10:18 AM
DM_2000   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542215' date='Oct 26...   Oct 27 2017, 06:26 PM
thelogo   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542215' date='Oct 2...   Oct 27 2017, 09:53 PM
Elliot Cannon   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542584' date='Oct 27...   Oct 27 2017, 10:51 PM
DM_2000   [quote name='DM_2000' post='2542584' date='Oct 27...   Oct 28 2017, 07:32 AM
arne   Also remove the odometer. Note to self - never b...   Oct 27 2017, 08:48 AM
thelogo   Also remove the odometer. Note to self - never ...   Oct 27 2017, 02:25 PM
jd74914   Sweet seats! If you're wanting to go back ...   Oct 26 2017, 12:19 AM
Ruprect006   Sweet seats! If you're wanting to go back...   Oct 26 2017, 11:13 AM
burton73   Sweet seats! If you're wanting to go bac...   Oct 26 2017, 10:17 PM
ConeDodger   Those seats are possibly Koenig. Worth a small for...   Oct 26 2017, 09:41 AM
Ruprect006   Those seats are possibly Koenig. Worth a small fo...   Oct 26 2017, 10:57 AM
DM_2000   Regarding documenting mileage. He was the origi...   Oct 26 2017, 05:13 PM
mbseto   She cleaned up nice!   Oct 26 2017, 10:35 AM
Ruprect006   She cleaned up nice! Thanks! :)   Oct 26 2017, 10:58 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   Cool find, congrats! The silver cars are a s...   Oct 26 2017, 12:39 PM
arne   Top to bottom, left to right, to me the gauges loo...   Oct 26 2017, 12:46 PM
914 7T3   As a fellow '73 2.0 owner and proponent of ori...   Oct 26 2017, 07:42 PM
Ruprect006   As a fellow '73 2.0 owner and proponent of or...   Oct 27 2017, 11:44 AM
914 7T3   As a fellow '73 2.0 owner and proponent of o...   Oct 27 2017, 07:49 PM
914 7T3   As a fellow '73 2.0 owner and proponent of o...   Oct 29 2017, 06:18 PM
914 7T3   [quote name='Ruprect006' post='2542468' date='Oct...   Nov 12 2017, 08:02 PM
RickS   “I don't want to do anything that would hurt...   Oct 26 2017, 08:53 PM
Cairo94507   That's a terrific car. I wish I had it. It w...   Oct 26 2017, 09:01 PM
Larmo63   I have the same Scheel seats. They are valuable, a...   Oct 26 2017, 09:54 PM
Elliot Cannon   This thread led me to think just how much of my ca...   Oct 26 2017, 10:44 PM
Garland   I’d leave everything the way it is, just like yo...   Oct 27 2017, 02:52 PM
Ruprect006   Is there a way to delete or hide not essential com...   Oct 27 2017, 02:56 PM
ConeDodger   Is there a way to delete or hide not essential co...   Oct 27 2017, 05:59 PM
Elliot Cannon   Is there a way to delete or hide not essential co...   Oct 27 2017, 10:47 PM
76-914   Best advice I can give is to stay the Hell away fr...   Oct 27 2017, 02:57 PM
ConeDodger   You asked how to on documenting the mileage. The b...   Oct 27 2017, 06:18 PM
Edward Blume   20+ years ago no one cared about these cars. In 20...   Oct 28 2017, 06:44 AM
ConeDodger   20+ years ago no one cared about these cars. In 2...   Oct 28 2017, 10:30 PM
Cairo94507   Rob - Your car looks great! :beer2: I was f...   Oct 29 2017, 07:43 AM
ConeDodger   Rob - Your car looks great! :beer2: I was ...   Oct 29 2017, 09:55 AM


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