Cost no object? Options

[mepstein]

I’ve seen it offered before but I had no idea what they were asking.

[My 914]

I just saw this as well and couldn't believe the price. they've had it on their site for a while with the invitation to make an offer. I didn't know they had their eye on the quarter million mark!

[Unobtanium-inc]

Normally in these outlandish price situations there is always the adage, "You couldn't build it for this price."
Considering you can pick up a nice 914-4 for $25,000, that leaves you $200,000 to build this, I bet it could be done, for far less.

[gothspeed]

As much as I love the 916 .... the mono-color scheme never really grew on me ..... it makes the car look too 'stocky' ..... the 914-GT or 914-6 w/M471 option look the best to me ..... but I am certain this car is a beast in every other way ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Steve]

Isn’t that the price of a real 916?
The sad part of a converted 4, it’s typically only worth the sum of the parts.
What did Paul’s car sell for? Paul’s Excellence Car was the nicest one I have ever seen.

[mepstein]

Isn’t that the price of a real 916?
The sad part of a converted 4, it’s typically only worth the sum of the parts.
What did Paul’s car sell for? Paul’s Excellence Car was the nicest one I have ever seen.

Paul’s sold for around $60k. Amazing car. $20k underpriced in my opinion.
PMS believes the originals are worth more.

[Steve]

I have never seen a real one sell for over $250k. George at AA has his listed for $495k

[rhodyguy]

Redefines Expectations. OK. Whose?

[ConeDodger]

Isn’t that the price of a real 916?
The sad part of a converted 4, it’s typically only worth the sum of the parts.
What did Paul’s car sell for? Paul’s Excellence Car was the nicest one I have ever seen.

Paul’s sold for around $60k. Amazing car. $20k underpriced in my opinion.
PMS believes the originals are worth more.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) his car sold right at $60K. He called me and asked my opinion and that is exactly what I told him - not a dime less than $80K.

I think at $225K there is profit in this car. This is a lot more car than Paul’s. 3.8 with mods to the bottom end.

[Chris914n6]

Not with that flat nosed bumper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dumbass.gif)

[bigkensteele]

I have not had to deal with them yet, but I get the feeling that everything at PMS is overpriced.

Given that I am putting together a 2.7 conversion, I am sure that I am going to have to get something from them at some point.

[mepstein]

I have not had to deal with them yet, but I get the feeling that everything at PMS is overpriced.

Given that I am putting together a 2.7 conversion, I am sure that I am going to have to get something from them at some point.

They have some great stuff. Some of it is relabeled and you can find it for less but the one stop shopping is convienient. This car is on consignment so it’s probably the sellers price. I have not heard of a 916 for 1 million plus but people like to dream.

[Steve]

I have not had to deal with them yet, but I get the feeling that everything at PMS is overpriced.

Given that I am putting together a 2.7 conversion, I am sure that I am going to have to get something from them at some point.

They have some great stuff. Some of it is relabeled and you can find it for less but the one stop shopping is convienient. This car is on consignment so it’s probably the sellers price. I have not heard of a 916 for 1 million plus but people like to dream.

PMS has a lot of nice stuff, especially if you want to run a 915 gear box and or a 3.6 motor. I built my 2.7 six before PMS existed. I used an early 2.0 six flywheel and stock 2.0 disk and pressure plate. I started off with a cross bar motor mount and then switched to Rich Johnson’s Mount, so I could run heat exchangers. Back then I was able to buy the oil tank and lines over the counter from Porsche. Today I would by them from Ben (mb911) on the board.

[mepstein]

I have not had to deal with them yet, but I get the feeling that everything at PMS is overpriced.

Given that I am putting together a 2.7 conversion, I am sure that I am going to have to get something from them at some point.

They have some great stuff. Some of it is relabeled and you can find it for less but the one stop shopping is convienient. This car is on consignment so it’s probably the sellers price. I have not heard of a 916 for 1 million plus but people like to dream.

PMS has a lot of nice stuff, especially if you want to run a 915 gear box and or a 3.6 motor. I built my 2.7 six before PMS existed. I used an early 2.0 six flywheel and stock 2.0 disk and pressure plate. I started off with a cross bar motor mount and then switched to Rich Johnson’s Mount, so I could run heat exchangers. Back then I was able to buy the oil tank and lines over the counter from Porsche. Today I would by them from Ben (mb911) on the board.

Ben has set the bar high with his heat exchangers and other conversion parts.

[Coondog]

PMS just finished my 3.2 conversion. I have seen this car many times in his shop. The interior work alone cost more then my entire build.

[somd914]

Look at it this way, Singer has no problems selling 964's in the neighborhood of a half million, and they draw a crowd at every car event and in social media.

[mepstein]

Look at it this way, Singer has no problems selling 964's in the neighborhood of a half million, and they draw a crowd at every car event and in social media.

1/4 million dollar 911's are sold all the time. Tribute cars. The real IROC's, RS's, ect go for multiples more. 914's, not so much unless they are real GT's, 916's, ect. I think this car has been for sale for a couple years now.

[somd914]

Look at it this way, Singer has no problems selling 964's in the neighborhood of a half million, and they draw a crowd at every car event and in social media.

1/4 million dollar 911's are sold all the time. Tribute cars. The real IROC's, RS's, ect go for multiples more. 914's, not so much unless they are real GT's, 916's, ect. I think this car has been for sale for a couple years now.

True, but not half million dollar 964's, which up until recently were selling for less than 911 Carreras and 993's.

In the case of Singer, you are paying upwards of a $500k for their craftsmanship and art, not for the car, which the customer provides.

All I'm saying is the price might not be absurd if the quality is there. Sure, it's a limited market, likely well beyond the realms of an average 914 owner, but many 911's are well beyond the realms of an average 911 owner.

[mepstein]

Look at it this way, Singer has no problems selling 964's in the neighborhood of a half million, and they draw a crowd at every car event and in social media.

1/4 million dollar 911's are sold all the time. Tribute cars. The real IROC's, RS's, ect go for multiples more. 914's, not so much unless they are real GT's, 916's, ect. I think this car has been for sale for a couple years now.

True, but not half million dollar 964's, which up until recently were selling for less than 911 Carreras and 993's.

In the case of Singer, you are paying upwards of a $500k for their craftsmanship and art, not for the car, which the customer provides.

All I'm saying is the price might not be absurd if the quality is there. Sure, it's a limited market, likely well beyond the realms of an average 914 owner, but many 911's are well beyond the realms of an average 911 owner.

The Singers just go to show that guys will pay big bucks for almost any 911. There are still just a couple 914's that make the cut. The 911 body, hot rod, backdate, ect shops are all busy with multi year waits. If we made a 911 with the parts and build quality of the PMS 916, we would have it sold before its done. there are plenty of buyers in the 911 pipeline.

[rgalla9146]

916 front bumpers always look a little melted to me.
The rear isn't exactly inspired either.
The PMS car looks a bit elevated doesn't it ?

If you want a real laugh take a peek at the Keith Martin price guide.
I don't have it in on hand right now but get this:
They list the '914S" 8 cyl. 2 (yes, TWO made) at $195,000 !
The 916s were less.

I'll follow up later with exact info.
Admittedly, they use auction results as factual guidelines.