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post Jan 11 2018, 09:26 AM
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The car, 1974, retains its original FI. Fires up no problem, but, until it warms up it almost dies as the rpm is almost zero, or, it almost dies until the temp bumps up.
When warm it is a nice 800/900 rpms and idles nicely.

I tried to do a search but it never works for me as the website is beyond my mortal understanding.

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post Jan 11 2018, 09:28 AM
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auxiliary air intake valve is stuck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:32 AM
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Jan 11 2018, 10:28 AM) *

auxiliary air intake valve is stuck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Most likely cause. Pull the vacuum line from it when cold to see if any air is being pulled through. Then it should close up after ~5 to 8 minutes. If it's not pulling air when the car is stone cold, then it's stuck a closed state, and that's your issue.
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:42 AM
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Dang.........you giz is fast. Can it be cleaned to operate correctly like soaking in a degreaser ? I use Kano Labs.

The car sat for many years and since coming to it's new home I am trying to work out the bugs.
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:47 AM
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Yes a lot of the time they can be revived. Some people I believe openthem. But I’ve had good luck with soaking them. Checkfor power was. The single wire too
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:55 AM
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I after verifying it has power and the unit is actually heating (take it out and hook to 12v battery) typically I take the AAV and pop in in the oven at about 250 for a while and then recheck to see if it opens. also the process of soaking and then heating can help free up a stuck valve.

Of course be careful that any of the things you use to soak are fully removed and/or are not flammable.

Also best to do in a small toaster oven outside as most Mrs. are not fans of car parts in the oven or the smell.
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post Jan 11 2018, 10:54 AM
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Thanks guys. I'll get on it and report back. Thanks for the tips.

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post Jan 11 2018, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(cal44 @ Jan 11 2018, 10:26 AM) *


I tried to do a search but it never works for me as the website is beyond my mortal understanding.

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I have better results using google along with "site:914world.com".

So for example, you would type "doesn't idle while cold site:914world.com" into google, and all of your results will be from 914World.

You can do this for any website.
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post Jan 11 2018, 12:28 PM
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Could be the AAR so verify its function, but you live in SoCal, where it never gets very cold.

You might also check the function of the TS2, it should richen the mixture while cold (a relative term in SoCal), then lean it out as it warms up.
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post Jan 11 2018, 03:53 PM
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A buddy had an extra auxiliary intake valve to help......ohhh I thought I was in tall cotton. When I saw nothing that looked like it on my engine I went to ebay to view a correct one, maybe. It looked like the borrowed one

I forgot to mention the engine is a 2.0, if it matters.

I look online for a diagram to get my mind right

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post Jan 11 2018, 04:05 PM
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Is your buddy's car a 1.8L? 1.7 and 2.0 should look the same, but 1.8's are different.
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post Jan 11 2018, 05:31 PM
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I think you are correct. The part was a 1.8 aux valve as I found a used example online for viewing.

Thank you..........it's a learning curve indeed.

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post Jan 11 2018, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 11 2018, 10:28 AM) *

Could be the AAR so verify its function, but you live in SoCal, where it never gets very cold.

You might also check the function of the TS2, it should richen the mixture while cold (a relative term in SoCal), then lean it out as it warms up.

Please excuse my ignorance. What is TS2?
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:37 PM
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Going from memory, Temperature Sensor 2 is the term used in most manuals for the Head temp sensor.
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post Jan 11 2018, 09:42 PM
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post Jan 13 2018, 02:54 AM
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post Jan 14 2018, 07:46 AM
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Thanks for the explanation of ts2.........I didn't know either.

Welp, I removed the cold start valve, did some cleaning which all I could do is soak the one end of the valve for a while. Re-assembled, fired it off and BAM, as nice smooth cold start idle.

But, I do need to redo the remaining vacuum hoses as I ran out of hose sizes. This is the car that sat for a very long time else where. The hoses are brittle, not good.

Will see if the smooth idle works today.

Side note, I checked on several sites the cost of a new cold start valve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
What the?

I now understand why folks go the carburation

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post Jan 14 2018, 08:06 AM
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Cold start valve gives an extra burst of fuel for starting when the thermo switch is below a certain temperature, like 35 degrees or something. Are you talking temps like that? The CSV should then close pretty quickly after that. Many people run without a CSV, particularly where it doesn't often get below freezing.

FI is great, but when it hasn't been maintained over time vacuum lines, sensors, and wiring get old and start to fail. Troubleshooting it can be difficult when you've got more than one thing going wrong, as it sends mixed signals / symptoms. Replace the hoses and start troubleshooting / testing things one by one.
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post Jan 14 2018, 08:08 AM
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