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> Turbo 914 (1.8 type-4), Turbocharging my 1.8 type-4 for a school project... can anyone give me some advice?
holtby914
post Jan 11 2018, 09:21 PM
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hello,

I am an automotive engineering student at the University of Windsor. I am trying to somehow incorporate the restoration of my 914 into my education somehow. After talking to many of my professors a few of them are suggesting I try and turbo the original 1.8l type-4 came in the car. I have the entire case completely apart, down to the crank, and am at the stage where I'm getting ready to start blueprinting this engine. However, it seems that turbo type-4's are not very common, and I do not seem to understand why. I am ready to take on the challenge, however, I would love some advice (combinations, etc.).

I am thinking that I will keep stock crank and rods, and get some JE forged pistons (not sure of size yet). Was also thinking I port the stock heads. However, beyond that, i have planned anything.

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Blake
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post Jan 14 2018, 04:32 PM
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No, my savings account isn't huge, however, I have lots of parts, multiple engines, and transmissions, and am a pretty handy kid in the garage I would say, and have rebuilt a few engines (mainly SBC's). I do have tons of support from my professors and will have access to engine dynos and lots of technical help from them whenever I need. I know its crazy, but if it was easy everyone would do it. My father just bought a '74 "stock 914" that I can drive whenever I want. If I wanted a stock running car, I would go find a clean shell and get it running. I know it's going to be lots of work, but that's why I am doing it, it's for learning. Like I said, I'm not looking to get this finished by the summer, I'm taking my time, working on one step at a time. I bet many people told you, that what you were doing was crazy, but that didn't seem to stop you either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Bellow is a video I have made, with the help of a friend describing the build if anyone is interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eWMMq30Yyc&t=6s

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post Jan 15 2018, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE(holtby914 @ Jan 14 2018, 05:32 PM) *
I bet many people told you, that what you were doing was crazy, but that didn't seem to stop you either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You completely misunderstand. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't. I'm saying the chassis is more important, and the bottom line of what I'm saying is that you should focus on that exclusively first. But you're FULLY capable of doing a turbo build. It's not rocket science. I'll gladly help. I'll share everything I know. But I've seen a lot of newbies come through here with grand ideas, only to get burned out, stalled, and give up.

If you wanna jump on it all right outta the gate, lets do it. What do you want to know?

I used a K03 turbo off of a 1.8VW/AUDI engine for my engine. I built a custom exhaust header using prebent piping from Summit Racing. I chose to put the turbo up high to allow for gravity oil drain and that worked fine for me. It also kept plumbing to a minimum. I'm running about 7lbs of boost and because of the small turbo there's no noticeable turbo lag. It's just always there. During testing and fiddling with the turbo settings I saw boost as high as 1bar. Didn't blow anything up right away.

You're going to be dealing with heat if you're trying to make big power from a small engine using a turbo. And unlike water-cooled cars, there's not much you can do that isn't fantastically expensive. So you have to give up some potential (in my opinion) to play it safe.

I think fuel injection is necessary for a well built turbo engine. Carbs can be run, and people have done it successfully, but it's always a bit of a hack.

So what else do you wanna know?
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QUOTE(McMark @ Jan 15 2018, 06:26 AM) *

QUOTE(holtby914 @ Jan 14 2018, 05:32 PM) *
I bet many people told you, that what you were doing was crazy, but that didn't seem to stop you either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You completely misunderstand. I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't. I'm saying the chassis is more important, and the bottom line of what I'm saying is that you should focus on that exclusively first. But you're FULLY capable of doing a turbo build. It's not rocket science. I'll gladly help. I'll share everything I know. But I've seen a lot of newbies come through here with grand ideas, only to get burned out, stalled, and give up.

If you wanna jump on it all right outta the gate, lets do it. What do you want to know?

I used a K03 turbo off of a 1.8VW/AUDI engine for my engine. I built a custom exhaust header using prebent piping from Summit Racing. I chose to put the turbo up high to allow for gravity oil drain and that worked fine for me. It also kept plumbing to a minimum. I'm running about 7lbs of boost and because of the small turbo there's no noticeable turbo lag. It's just always there. During testing and fiddling with the turbo settings I saw boost as high as 1bar. Didn't blow anything up right away.

You're going to be dealing with heat if you're trying to make big power from a small engine using a turbo. And unlike water-cooled cars, there's not much you can do that isn't fantastically expensive. So you have to give up some potential (in my opinion) to play it safe.

I think fuel injection is necessary for a well built turbo engine. Carbs can be run, and people have done it successfully, but it's always a bit of a hack.

So what else do you wanna know?



Here are the drawings i made:
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Very simple, most of my class had no idea what a turbo system even was so i didnt go into crazy detail.
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holtby914   Turbo 914 (1.8 type-4)   Jan 11 2018, 09:21 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Search here for McMark Turbo.   Jan 11 2018, 09:58 PM
Mueller   Search using turbo and McMark as username. He bui...   Jan 11 2018, 09:58 PM
tazz9924   Im not 100% but isn’t there an issue with the cy...   Jan 11 2018, 10:08 PM
holtby914   I cannot seem to find anything. I will keep looki...   Jan 11 2018, 10:20 PM
bbrock   I cannot seem to find anything. I will keep look...   Jan 11 2018, 10:28 PM
Mueller   A few reasons turbos are not that popular on 914s ...   Jan 11 2018, 11:27 PM
Mark Henry   Berg made a kit, it was expensive. For a few bu...   Jan 12 2018, 01:36 PM
Mike Bellis   Consider supplementing with methanol injection to ...   Jan 11 2018, 11:45 PM
ConeDodger   Consider supplementing with methanol injection to...   Jan 12 2018, 09:03 AM
PatrickB   I'd like to see this when you get done, and I...   Jan 12 2018, 04:54 AM
holtby914   I'd like to see this when you get done, and I...   Jan 12 2018, 07:45 AM
saigon71   I'd like to see this when you get done, and ...   Jan 12 2018, 07:54 AM
Mueller   [quote name='PatrickB' post='2567183' date='Jan 1...   Jan 12 2018, 09:41 AM
jd74914   [quote name='holtby914' post='2567232' date='Jan ...   Jan 12 2018, 10:49 AM
holtby914   [quote name='PatrickB' post='2567183' date='Jan ...   Jan 12 2018, 12:10 PM
Mueller   [quote name='Mueller' post='2567259' date='Jan 12...   Jan 12 2018, 01:08 PM
KELTY360   Chances are you have D-jet, not too complicated i...   Jan 12 2018, 01:31 PM
Mueller   Chances are you have D-jet, not too complicated ...   Jan 12 2018, 01:33 PM
holtby914   [quote name='Mueller' post='2567259' date='Jan 1...   Jan 12 2018, 01:36 PM
Mark Henry   That book is OK but it's quite dated on fuel/i...   Jan 12 2018, 01:44 PM
mobymutt   Since McMark's already done the turbo, how abo...   Jan 12 2018, 10:34 AM
Mueller   Since McMark's already done the turbo, how ab...   Jan 12 2018, 12:09 PM
holtby914   I wanted to add as well that I am currently restor...   Jan 12 2018, 12:17 PM
Mueller   Here it is: I'd redo the harness, just use...   Jan 14 2018, 12:02 PM
holtby914   This is so awesome and generous of you. I am extr...   Jan 14 2018, 03:42 PM
McMark   If you've got a big project ahead of you getti...   Jan 14 2018, 04:07 PM
holtby914   No, my savings account isn't huge, however, I ...   Jan 14 2018, 04:32 PM
stownsen914   Awesome project! Sounds like an ambitious proj...   Jan 14 2018, 11:16 PM
McMark   I bet many people told you, that what you were doi...   Jan 15 2018, 05:26 AM
holtby914   I bet many people told you, that what you were do...   Jan 15 2018, 05:31 PM
holtby914   I bet many people told you, that what you were do...   Jan 15 2018, 06:13 PM
98101   This thread warms my heart. Good luck with this...   Jan 15 2018, 02:21 AM
holtby914   This thread warms my heart. Good luck with this...   Jan 15 2018, 05:33 PM
mb911   I have done a low boost turbo set up before. I did...   Jan 15 2018, 07:56 AM
holtby914   I have done a low boost turbo set up before. I di...   Jan 15 2018, 05:46 PM
mepstein   I have done a low boost turbo set up before. I di...   Jan 15 2018, 06:01 PM
falcor75   I'd say there are plenty of turbo type4's....   Jan 15 2018, 08:11 AM
mb911   I'd say there are plenty of turbo type4's...   Jan 15 2018, 08:30 AM
holtby914   I'd say there are plenty of turbo type4's...   Jan 15 2018, 05:52 PM
Dave_Darling   Member ejm on here built a 1.8 liter turbo four as...   Jan 15 2018, 12:10 PM
holtby914   Member ejm on here built a 1.8 liter turbo four a...   Jan 15 2018, 05:54 PM
thelogo   Kinda confused why you would do a aircooled turbo ...   Jan 15 2018, 03:10 PM
holtby914   Kinda confused why you would do a aircooled turbo...   Jan 15 2018, 06:06 PM
Dave_Darling   ... i plan on building 2 more 914's (probably ...   Jan 15 2018, 07:11 PM
holtby914   ... i plan on building 2 more 914's (probably...   Jan 15 2018, 07:12 PM
mepstein   [quote name='holtby914' post='2568573' date='Jan ...   Jan 15 2018, 07:38 PM
holtby914   [quote name='holtby914' post='2568573' date='Jan...   Jan 15 2018, 07:47 PM
mepstein   [quote name='mepstein' post='2568618' date='Jan 1...   Jan 15 2018, 07:58 PM
r_towle   [quote name='mepstein' post='2568618' date='Jan 1...   Jan 28 2018, 05:44 PM
thelogo   [quote name='thelogo' post='2568511' date='Jan 15...   Jan 17 2018, 05:00 PM
Mueller   I know it says radiator in the subject, however th...   Jan 15 2018, 06:20 PM
burton73   Something to think about: Because of the expansio...   Jan 15 2018, 07:35 PM
holtby914   Something to think about: Because of the expansi...   Jan 15 2018, 07:45 PM
thelogo   :wavebye:   Jan 17 2018, 05:02 PM
worn   :wavebye: What da ‘ell is that? I mean it loo...   Jan 17 2018, 06:24 PM
thelogo   [quote name='thelogo' post='2569225' date='Jan 17...   Jan 17 2018, 08:19 PM
holtby914   Here is how the car looked in the fall:   Jan 17 2018, 08:34 PM
holtby914   taking apart spare engine: I learn what not to do ...   Jan 17 2018, 08:37 PM
holtby914   the cinder block wasn't ideal:   Jan 17 2018, 08:40 PM
holtby914   Rods and crank are in good shape... rest of the en...   Jan 17 2018, 08:43 PM
fordb132   Hi there Blake.I put together a 914/4 engine wit...   Jan 25 2018, 01:01 PM
Mueller   Hi there Blake.I put together a 914/4 engine wit...   Jan 25 2018, 04:36 PM
holtby914   Hi there Blake.I put together a 914/4 engine wi...   Mar 11 2018, 04:16 PM
maf914   foerdb132, Please tell us more about your engine....   Jan 26 2018, 03:01 PM
thelogo   I guess you can turbo a 914 apparently But ho...   Jan 26 2018, 03:15 PM
Mueller   I guess you can turbo a 914 apparently But h...   Jan 27 2018, 11:15 AM
Dave_Darling   Tough to find a good spot for the charger that let...   Jan 26 2018, 05:51 PM
fordb132   Looks fairly simple to mount a blower with a serp...   Jan 27 2018, 10:49 AM
Dave_Darling   Looks fairly simple to mount a blower with a serp...   Jan 27 2018, 01:47 PM
Mueller   Any updates?   Mar 11 2018, 03:03 PM
holtby914   Any updates? School has been absolutely crazy t...   Mar 11 2018, 04:14 PM


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