Sheet metal, Confirmation Options

[Chip]

Is the "Right passenger inner wheel house firewall" the proper part to repair
the rust holes deep in the bowels of the hell hole? Beneath the battery?

[porschetub]

Is the "Right passenger inner wheel house firewall" the proper part to repair
the rust holes deep in the bowels of the hell hole? Beneath the battery?

With the worst cars this can be the horrible reality it however depends on how much battery leakage and were the car has been in it's life, wet climate or dry climate,IMO this is the most troublesome area ,thats @ a close second to where the factory put foam (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) .
Many on here know more than me so I will retire for an evening meal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chowtime.gif) .

[bbrock]

Pics of the damage and a link to the part you are referencing would help. I had to replace the inner wheelhouse on mine using the Restoration Design part: http://www.restoration-design.com/store/SRCH?Search=PP331, but it isn't always needed and depends on how deep the corrosion went. Outer and inner longitudinals seem to be more common and the inners can often be patched depending on severity of damage and your skill. RD calls the outer longitudinal an "Inner Rocker."

Post pics and you'll get lots of help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Mueller]

1st pic shows my hell hole from above:
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-87-1443753625_thumb.jpg)

2nd pic shows damage on bottom of vehicle, that is going to require me to replace more than just one piece of sheet metal. It looks like for me the firewall portion is okay.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-87-1519622313.jpg)

[mgphoto]

I cut a piece from a donor car for the inner section, I replaced the outer section with the R&D parts and used the third party long replacement which needed a lot of adjustment.

[mgphoto]

[mgphoto]

[Mueller]

I cut a piece from a donor car for the inner section, I replaced the outer section with the R&D parts and used the third party long replacement which needed a lot of adjustment.

Did you cut a portion of quarter panel off or drill out the spot welds and remove entire panel?

[Chip]

Pics of the damage and a link to the part you are referencing would help. I had to replace the inner wheelhouse on mine using the Restoration Design part: http://www.restoration-design.com/store/SRCH?Search=PP331, but it isn't always needed and depends on how deep the corrosion went. Outer and inner longitudinals seem to be more common and the inners can often be patched depending on severity of damage and your skill. RD calls the outer longitudinal an "Inner Rocker."

Post pics and you'll get lots of help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Here come some photos, and thanks much!

[Chip]

Pics of the damage and a link to the part you are referencing would help. I had to replace the inner wheelhouse on mine using the Restoration Design part: http://www.restoration-design.com/store/SRCH?Search=PP331, but it isn't always needed and depends on how deep the corrosion went. Outer and inner longitudinals seem to be more common and the inners can often be patched depending on severity of damage and your skill. RD calls the outer longitudinal an "Inner Rocker."

Post pics and you'll get lots of help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks, Brent. Not sure if the pics went through. May have gotten mixed up with another same situation of the hell hole.

[McMark]

The inner wheelhouse part you're PROBABLY looking at will only correct the wall that the battery tray is attached to. You'll still have to repair the longitudinal, firewall, engine shelf, and battery tray. Most of those panels are basically flat and can simply be cut from sheet metal.

[marksteinhilber]

Is the "Right passenger inner wheel house firewall" the proper part to repair
the rust holes deep in the bowels of the hell hole? Beneath the battery?

1. It's not really as simple as your question makes it seem.
2. It's not a one day or weekend repair.
3. You will likely need to disassemble much of it with the door gap braced to make welded repairs, likely using a number of pieces of reproduced steel from places like Restoration Design.
4. If you can weld and have the time, shop space, and materials it can be rewarding. It will usually not make you money unless it is someone else's car.

I did both sides of two cars by removing rocker, jackpoint, and cutting out bad steel from inner rocker and some of inside longitudinal, repairing to original thickness, and then adding what is often known as an"Engman longitudinal stiffening kit" paying tribute to one of the early developers of this technique for a 914. There are other similar products now made. Along the way there will be repairs needed to the bottom of the inner and outer engine firewall, as well as to the floor pan and the rear jacking triangles. See pictures. [attachmentid=640
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[bbrock]

Pics of the damage and a link to the part you are referencing would help. I had to replace the inner wheelhouse on mine using the Restoration Design part: http://www.restoration-design.com/store/SRCH?Search=PP331, but it isn't always needed and depends on how deep the corrosion went. Outer and inner longitudinals seem to be more common and the inners can often be patched depending on severity of damage and your skill. RD calls the outer longitudinal an "Inner Rocker."

Post pics and you'll get lots of help! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thanks, Brent. Not sure if the pics went through. May have gotten mixed up with another same situation of the hell hole.

That hole is part of the inner long and can often be patched. You'll need to pull off your rocker cover and poke around at least from the jack point rearward with a screwdriver to figure out what else is rotted because it rarely stops there. Here is a pic of what the inner wheelhouse area of mine looked like before repair to give you an example of one that needed to be replaced.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-20845-1502386440.jpg)

There are a number of build threads both past and present that have great information on tackling these repairs. Jeff Hail's "Bring out your dead" is one of the best. Here is a link to about where my hell hole repair starts and includes patching that spot in your pics. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=2515579 Mine wasn't the worst one that has been rescued, but it was getting up there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[marksteinhilber]

And then finishing up with the extra stiffening layers to make better than new:[attachmentid
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[bbrock]

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-15057-1519845442.jpg)

Sorry, but I have to hijack. Did you fabricate that floor patch, or take it from a donor?

[McMark]

Looks like a section of the reproduction floor pans.
http://www.restoration-design.com/store/product/PP345B

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.restoration-design.com-419-1519846217.1.jpg)

[marksteinhilber]

Looks like a section of the reproduction floor pans.
http://www.restoration-design.com/store/product/PP345B

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.restoration-design.com-419-1519846217.1.jpg)

Yes, I just cut a section from the RD rear quarter floor panels. The rest of the floor was in really good shape, so I didn't want to cut that many spot welds and then burn that many rosettes. Other's will agree that sometimes a few small patches are quicker than doing the full panel replacement. It depends what you have to work with and what you want in the end. I wanted to be driving and it wasn't to be a rotisserie Concours resto. It was to be a stiffer track ready driver.

[MarkV]

You asked about the "right passenger wheel house". I had to replace that piece and cut a patch to repair the top of the long below the battery, the engine shelf & the battery support & tray. My car didn't have any rust below in the long....you may not be as lucky.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

right inner firewall yes along with the engine shelf and maybe the upper longitudinal part The very first parts we made ever were to repair this area, Hopefully you do not need much. Also in this area are
right rear floor pan
inner right firewall
outer right firewall
right inner rocker panel
jack post and support
floor pan triangle
battery tray
battery tray support
engine bay c channel
trunk hinge cup
control unit bracket
inner suspension console
right outer rocker panel

the only two pieces that we do not make are the outer three bolt suspension console and the right engine mounting pod, but have found in very few cases that these parts cannot be reused

Is the "Right passenger inner wheel house firewall" the proper part to repair
the rust holes deep in the bowels of the hell hole? Beneath the battery?

[mgphoto]

I cut a piece from a donor car for the inner section, I replaced the outer section with the R&D parts and used the third party long replacement which needed a lot of adjustment.

Did you cut a portion of quarter panel off or drill out the spot welds and remove entire panel?

I cut this section from the donor with a sawsall, than used a small pneumatic saw and spot weld drill.