 v8 914 with whale tail, anyone got a design for one |
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| jimkelly |
 Jun 7 2005, 08:28 AM
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Delaware USA  Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
versus mounting a radiator in the front trunk?
While it kills the stock look - I think that keeping it all close to the engine area is a good thing? Only having to cut some holes in a rear trunk lid and design some sort of scoop/duct work that could house the radiator and radiator fan/s. Something ike this but more massive. (IMG:http://www.v8914.com/Images/Small/Rear-View.jpg) |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 7 2005, 08:38 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
That's the English 914 with twin turbos....pretty sure the radiator is up front and the scoop is a ram air for the intake.
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| neo914-6 |
Jun 7 2005, 08:45 AM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Here's a rear oil cooler:
Are you building a V8 conversion? Attached image(s) 
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| seanery |
Jun 7 2005, 09:09 AM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
actually felix, his intercooler is back there.
There is a V8 914 with whale tail for sale right now in the classifieds....maybe buy that one. |
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| jimkelly |
Jun 7 2005, 09:26 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I don't even have my car yet but should have them sometime this week. I'd like to make it a sleeper v8 car with as many new parts as possble but keep cost low. I'm think a crate motor - maybe this one - http://www.paceparts.com/index.asp?PageAct...D&ProdID=24755- 250hp. I'd like to do is asap before I put any money into the exisitng motor/tranny/clutch - my parts car is a 74 and I will probably gte that tranny rebuit for the conversion cause it has side shift as I understand it. The parts car also has 911 suspension and brakes but I am not sure of their condition.
The trunk has plenty of space - a louvered trunk lid with some ducting beneath, with radiator mounted in the trunk versus above it with fans in between and maybe an outlet for the air to flow thru the floor might work. Maybe because if gravity most radiators are in the front - I am just thinking shorter run for the plumbing would be nice. |
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| Mueller |
Jun 7 2005, 09:50 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None 
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not with an ugly (IMHO) whale tail on the car (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) kinda ruins the "sleeper" look (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) my best advice is try it, worse thing to happen is that it does not cool too well and you'll move the radiator back up front. You will be doing something "new" and undocumented, you will not find plans or directions on how to do the radiator in the rear trunk, don't get mad when you ask questions and not get a straight answer since you might be breaking new ground and no one has BTDT yet. I have have never seen anyone do it, and of course just a few months ago a bunch of us had been proven wrong when a Subaru conversion guy successfully installed his radiator inside the engine compartment in front of his engine, he's put something like 5000 miles on it and it works. There is a guy that has installed a radiator in the rear spoiler of a 911, it's a little on the ugly side (my opinion again), but as far as I know, it works..... |
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| avendlerdp |
Jun 7 2005, 10:03 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 37 Joined: 1-March 05 From: L.A. Ca. Member No.: 3,692 |
Why fight the front mount? Better weight distribution and cooling tell me the front mount is better. Running the hoses is not hard at all. If you are really worried about cutting up the car, let the air vent through the hood and that way all you are cutting is the front bulkhead. My V8 has the simplest front mount system and it cost very little as well. Just my $.02.
-Alexjavascript:emoticon(':sawzall:') |
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| jd74914 |
Jun 7 2005, 10:41 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
just outof curiousity, has anyone ever talked to this guy. His site doesn't have much info on the hp or any driving impressions. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 7 2005, 10:43 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Prolly language difficulties...English versus 'Murican....
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| skline |
Jun 7 2005, 10:55 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
There is a 914 with a trunk mounted radiator, he lives right around the corner from me. He has a Buick 3800 FI installed in his 914 and he mounted the radiator in the trunk and drove it from coast to coast with no problems. I talked to him the othr day and he said he is going to get a new rear deck lid and mount the radiator up front. It cools ok but he wants his trunk back. The hole in the rear deck lid is hard to cover up with anything that looks decent. I have some pictures here somewhere, I will look for them and post them.
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| skline |
Jun 7 2005, 11:04 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
Ok, I found a couple of them. This is what he did. Keep in mind it is only a 6 cylinder. He wants to turbo the car so he doesnt think it will cool enough one that is done.
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| skline |
Jun 7 2005, 11:05 AM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
One more
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| maf914 |
Jun 7 2005, 02:01 PM
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Not a Guru! Group: Members Posts: 3,049 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Central Florida Member No.: 632 Region Association: None
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If anyone is a fan of the old Can-Am series you may remember the original Shadow Can-Am car. It had some wild ideas that never really came together. The car was amazingly low with go-cart diameter wheels and tires and a big honkin' Chevy big block out back. Anyway, it originally had its radiators mounted inside the rear strut mounted wing with the air intakes on the leading edge of the wing. They dropped the idea pretty soon. In fact that initial car was pretty much scrapped after a few outings. It took them a few years and a move to more conventional ideas before they became winners. Of course that was after the 917/10 and 917/30 had come and gone. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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| neo914-6 |
Jun 7 2005, 02:29 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
avendlerdp,
Tell us more and post pics of your car. We are close to listing 100 non-OEM conversions by club members, see my link below. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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| BIGKAT_83 |
Jun 7 2005, 06:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,798 Joined: 25-January 03 From: Way down south Bogart,GA Member No.: 194 Region Association: South East States 
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After reading the thread I tried to think of some mid/rear engine water cooled cars that didn't have a front mounted radiator.
I don't really see going to the trouble of not front mounting it in a V8 conversion |
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| Katmanken |
Jun 7 2005, 07:28 PM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Lamborghini Countach....
Rear mounted radiators, lotsa cooling vent versions over the years.. Ken |
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| jimkelly |
Jun 7 2005, 07:36 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I guess you guys have convinced me that front mounted raditor is best. Thanks for the pics of the rear trunk mounted car. I really need renegade and rhs to post more detailed pics of each portion of their set ups and installation proceedures so I can visualize each step. Jimbo (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/driving.gif)
Oh yeah - just got an email - my cars will be coming on saturday. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) I am cleaning out my one car garage for the driver and the parts car will go outside, next to me house, covered. Jim |
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| McMark |
Jun 7 2005, 08:39 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
I'm glad you decided to put it up front. There are some really clean installations for the front trunk and it's really the "professional" looking way to go. Keep us posted.
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| neo914-6 |
Jun 7 2005, 09:15 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Good luck, they only give you that info after you've purchased their kit (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) Do a search or post a question on this site and you'll find or get lot's of pics... |
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