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| Dr. Roger |
 Jun 16 2005, 12:44 AM
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A bat out of hell.  Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California  |
In summary:
Found the car on Craigslist. Low mile, low rust, straight body. No holes in the hell hole. Longs are clean. A small miracle. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) After seeing Rick's "Alien" build, Felix's "Neo 914", and meeting "JLo", Andyrew, Sir Andy and other's rides.... I just gotta' get'er done! |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 3 2005, 01:49 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Exhaust wheel well holes big enough?
(note: only the finest zip ties were used to hold this radiator in place.) Attached image(s) 
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| turbo914v8 |
Sep 3 2005, 09:33 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 373 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Canada Member No.: 952 |
The fans you have should work well. Your problem is that you MUST build a shroud that encloses the fresh air intake for the rad. Air will travel the path that offers the least amount of resistance. In your case the path of least resistance is over the rad. The shroud will make the air pass through the rad. I am surprised that you did not over heat sooner.
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| 914GT |
Sep 3 2005, 09:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,100 Joined: 11-October 04 From: Tucson Member No.: 2,923 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Paul is right. And at low speeds a barrier between the intake and exhaust sides of the radiator is required to prevent recirculation. What you have now lets the heated air get pulled back through the radiator and that will severely reduce the cooling efficiency.
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| John2kx |
Sep 3 2005, 06:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 22-August 03 From: Augusta, Ga. Member No.: 1,066 |
Roger,
I see two radiator caps installed (one front and back) with no recovery/expansion tanks to collect coolant. If your running your setup as shown in pics, your sucking air back into cooling system everytime you cycle from hot to cold in addition to loosing water. My two quart expansion tank would easily increase level by over one quart during a heat cycle in summer weather. Without the expansion tank, this coolant is being pushed overboard. Your fender cutout size is fine. Shroud the front of rad. as already mentioned. Do you have a additional opening in front of car other than what you cut out in trunk floor? One other IMPORTANT thing..........unless you crossed your radiator hoses somewhere between the front of car and water pump, your plumbed up backwards, ie sucking out the top of radiator instead of bottom. John |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 3 2005, 07:42 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
John,
YOU get the grand prize for my secret mistake.... Yes the water pump is plumbed backwards..... to the radiator. I'm going to switch the hoses up front tomorrow. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) i'm thinking of going with a fiberglass setup up front to route cool air. with what little experience i have, i should be able to do a decent job. more updates to come. i'm off the next 5 days for vacation. let's see if it gets done.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) |
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| John2kx |
Sep 4 2005, 09:48 AM
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Roger,
Don't forget the expansion tank! With your "2" radiator cap installation, you should pick one to feed and receive from expansion tank. I recommend the higher point in your engine bay. For this to work you need to have the radiator cap in front to have a higher pressure relief or plug the overflow line. RH recommends a 16lb. cap with their cooling system. You could also go with a 20lb. cap in front and the 16lb. at your fill port and get the same results. Connecting the radiator to pump correctly and installation of expansion tank may work without the front ducting but I doubt it. It wouldn't hurt to give it a try, just don't veer too far from home. You could use cardboard, foam and duct tape to temporarily fab up a duct to see if the sizing and path work prior to spending several days with fiberglass. Your system has got to be full of air given the plumbing error and lack of exp. tank. I recommend going back through the burping procedure outlined earlier to remove as much air as possible prior to hitting the road again. John |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 5 2005, 12:29 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Just in case there's anyone lurking, who has never driven a V8 914, and is wondering what it's lke to drive one...
Well let's just say, my hands were shaking for a half an hour after going to get a video 2 miles away. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) I never......... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) This car is sooooo dang fast and fun to drive. I've been riding "go fast" bikes mostly, and lately, off road trail riding/moto-X. I can't picture many fu-fu drivers behind the wheel of this beast. Everything happens fast except the braking..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/barf.gif) Manual steering (albeit, light and responsive) Clutch is light and consistent. Throttle is very responsive but watch out for too much throttle... especially 'round turns. Simple left or right turns can become reverse lock turns at will. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/happy11.gif) Even starting out in third gear is almost effortless. Not for the clutch, obviously. Bebe is my first 914 and I have no regrets doing this project. Next: Buy stock in AAA. =-) There is lots of work still to be done. There are some issues with engine heat and shimming the starter just right. Those issues will be addressed immediately. Other than that she's a driver. Thanks again all. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/beerchug.gif) Bebe tucked in for the night. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mueba.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Andyrew |
Sep 5 2005, 12:47 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California 
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Yes, get brakes...
At least invest 200 bucks and get STICKY pads. Oh, and 50 bucks in sheet metal and pop rivets. OH ya, if you have a little nipple thing on the radiator fill.. you HAVE to either plug it off, or have an expansion tank on it. Andrew |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 5 2005, 01:03 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
WaddaUmean? Sheet metal and pop rivets??? Did someone say I wanted to flare Bebe? (secretly i really do) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool_shades.gif) it's just a money thing. |
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| Andyrew |
Sep 5 2005, 01:16 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Sheet metal... and pop rivets... for a radiator shroud.
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| Andyrew |
Sep 5 2005, 01:18 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 5 2005, 11:07 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
Well I must say, today was so crazy.
I had to give three friends rides and man, that was fun.... starting to push it a little harder. had another reverse lock turn. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/cool.gif) i planned it though. took it over to visit with some friends and then it got dark. started her and turned the lights on and nothing happened. then i noticed no lights worked on the entire car. except the green oil light. everything worked yesterday... took a chance and drive it home and as i was pulling into the garage, "Poof". a flame was seen shining through where the ignition steering column goes through the dash. See pic. and red arrow.. OH SHIT< NOt in my f-ing garage. I gave it a blast with the extinguisher and that was that. electrical in nature as it stunk to high heaven. whatever that smells like . upon furthur inspection i noted that the PO had sone some custoom wiring to the stereo and left other wires just exposed under the dash... Attached image(s) 
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 5 2005, 11:09 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
my last day of vacation will be figuring out this wiring thing now... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/mad.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/ar15.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/headbang.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/pissoff.gif)
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| John2kx |
Sep 6 2005, 06:07 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 22-August 03 From: Augusta, Ga. Member No.: 1,066 |
Don't feel like the lone ranger and I'm glad she did not burn to the ground. Hope you don't have to go this far............
John Attached image(s) 
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 23 2005, 11:45 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
starting fiberglass air ducting.
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 24 2005, 12:01 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
And the details of the electrical fire....
red arrow points to where the harness was cut by steel support bracket for the steering column. aparrently shorted a non-fused wire resulting in a little fire. fire exstinguisher is always by my side....... I strongly suggest everyone do the same. Attached image(s) 
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| Andyrew |
Sep 24 2005, 02:32 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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That ducting is a little low...
You might find yourself cursing every time you go over a bump.. I guess we'll see it tomorrow!! |
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 24 2005, 09:38 AM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
yea, i figure it's easier to take some off than add... bebe is still down with wiring issue so you'll see her next time. sorry. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| Dr. Roger |
Sep 29 2005, 09:52 PM
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A bat out of hell. Group: Members Posts: 3,944 Joined: 31-January 05 From: Hercules, California Member No.: 3,533 Region Association: Northern California |
I was so inspired by the electrical fire, that I had to add some flames to the car. I don't know if it looks good or bad but it's better than the plain fiberglass that was going to go on there. =-)
No more blow-by or recirculating air. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/boldblue.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/clap.gif) Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Rand |
Sep 29 2005, 10:53 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
Burning Man special! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
Way to go Roger. That will help keep her cool. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) |
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