Did the 911 Keep the 914 from being all it could be?, Was the 914 De-tuned from its full potential? |
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Did the 911 Keep the 914 from being all it could be?, Was the 914 De-tuned from its full potential? |
Matty900 |
Dec 14 2018, 09:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 21-February 15 From: Oregon Member No.: 18,454 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I have heard several stories about Porsche not wanting to do anything to mess with the 911 program. Like the one about the 914S.
It's my understanding that in 1973 when they came out with the 2 ltr motor, they launched in the US and a 914 S. It had its own brochure, all of the options and was shut down by Porsche because they did not want to compete with the 911S. I am not trying to open this can of worms with anyone about is the 914 S real or not. What I want to know is, as protective as Porsche was about the 911 program, How did this affect the 914. Were the 914 De-tuned from what the original design specs were? |
mepstein |
Dec 17 2018, 06:35 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,272 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
That 914-6GT had a great run at Le Mans but the 914-6 was pretty much a dud at the dealership. They didn’t sell well so Porsche phased them out. Eventually, sales stalled with the 914-4 so Porsche dropped them. It doesn’t make much difference how it happened, once the 914’s stopped being profitable, Porsche needed to build cars that would turn a profit. That philosophy is evident in the cars that Porsche builds now. High end, high profit cars.
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sithot |
Dec 17 2018, 06:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 446 Joined: 25-October 06 From: Virginia Member No.: 7,090 Region Association: None |
That 914-6GT had a great run at Le Mans but the 914-6 was pretty much a dud at the dealership. They didn’t sell well so Porsche phased them out. Eventually, sales stalled with the 914-4 so Porsche dropped them. It doesn’t make much difference how it happened, once the 914’s stopped being profitable, Porsche needed to build cars that would turn a profit. That philosophy is evident in the cars that Porsche builds now. High end, high profit cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Porsche is far more profitable than BMW or Mercedes. About €17,000 per car. Ferrari outpaces them all with a profit around €69,000 per car! |
Tom_T |
Dec 19 2018, 11:11 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
Porsche is far more profitable than BMW or Mercedes. About €17,000 per car. I wonder what those numbers would look like if broken out as profit per model? I don't know if Porsche releases them, or would do so - but I wonder if the Cayenne & Macan are higher profit margins - or the more traditional sports cars & Panamera? For the "Big 3" USA vehicle makers, their per vehicle profit margin is more than double for trucks & SUVs - over the cars. So if you're wondering why Ford & GM have cancelled their compact, mid-sized & full sized cars & closed plants - it is NOT driven by actual sales volumes, even if they are off by a teens-percentage, since the total numbers made & sold are still sizeable & profitable for them. Heck the fleet sales & rental companies alone could justify keeping those production lines open! They are simply trying to push more people into higher profit Trucks, SUVs & CUVs!! Same thing as the Big 3 spreading the false myth about pick-up trucks being the only safe towing vehicle - even telling people that more capable tow vehicles like the Cayenne, VW Touareg & Audi Q7 are not capable due to them being a few inches shorter & a few hundred pounds lighter - when in fact they are the more stable TV platforms. I get that BS a lot on the Airstream Forums from the "Big Truck Only Guys". Another factor encouraging them to push for trucks/SUVs is that - if they're classified as trucks, then they're subject to lower MPG levels than are cars under the CAFE limits (even still after the recent rollback of them by the Trump Administration). So they have to work less hard & put in less expensive emissions controls into the "trucks" - adding to profitability! Ergo - my wondering if the Cayenne & Macan are likewise more profitable than are their cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Tom /////// |
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