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| nine14cats |
 Jun 20 2005, 05:20 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo  Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None  |
Hey Gang,
Building our new car is an exercise in patience. I purchased the new race car September 2nd, 2004. We are currently on day 292 of the build. The latest Estimated Completion Date is November 1. That's 425 days, and that's paying professionals to build it. If I count the extra 2 months I had in-between blowing our motor on the old car, we will be down, out of our 914 for over 16 months. And again, this is paying for the car to be worked on, not touching it ourselves. Help make me feel better. Anyone pay a shop to build a car that's taken longer? Bill P. |
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| nine14cats |
Jun 20 2005, 05:26 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Here's what $31K in cash will get ya..... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/givemebeer.gif) Bill P. Attached image(s) 
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| Randal |
Jun 20 2005, 05:27 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
No fair.... we need to hire goon squads to make these guys work faster!! |
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| TimT |
Jun 20 2005, 05:35 PM
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retired Group: Members Posts: 4,033 Joined: 18-February 03 From: Wantagh, NY Member No.: 313 |
Isnt Jerry woods building your car?
FWIW im on the fourth year of rebuilding my 911.. I am however doing everything myself |
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| Trekkor |
Jun 20 2005, 05:39 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
Hang in there, Bill. We're all watchin' the grass grow with ya' (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif)
KT |
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| seanery |
Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
bluecar started as a project Nov 25, 1999....not done and haven't driven it since (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/sad.gif)
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| Jeroen |
Jun 20 2005, 05:51 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Hey... it could be worse...
This summer, I'll hit the 6 year mark and I'm no where near where you are (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) |
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| nine14cats |
Jun 20 2005, 05:58 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif)
Allright....I'm feeling better already! Tim, B had the car from Sep 2 until March 1. JWE has taken over the car build since then. Lots of plumbing, and thinking and test fitting of the power steering.... But it is only scheduled on the rack for work a few days a month. I don't agree with that. I want dedicated time to make tracks on this thing. The rate is all the same. It seems like a solid week would finish the design and allow ordering the final parts needed. I will have my V8 conversion finished well before my racecar, and my 72 year old dad and my 16 year old son are my shop mechanics. Rant over.....I do realize that I'm paying for well planned engineering of a race car. I want it safe and fast and reliable if possible. But I just wish more progress could be made. It seems odd that it can't go a tad quicker. Bill P. |
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| lapuwali |
Jun 20 2005, 05:58 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
Hey, if anything, this thread is making ME feel better. My 914 was only motionless for 2 months before I moved it inside, where it's been motionless for two weeks, and will remain motionless for at least another month before I'll have time to even touch it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif)
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| neo914-6 |
Jun 20 2005, 06:04 PM
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neo life Group: Members Posts: 5,086 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Willow Glen (San Jose) Member No.: 159 |
Can't beat 12 mo's but my V8 car was at Henry's Hot Rod's in SJ for 5 mos. Every week I called and he said "we're getting to it". (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/confused24.gif) Meanwhile rods needing work came and went through that shop while mine sat. To top it off, the shifter was worse than when I brought it there and it still didn't cool properly which was their primary job. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/screwy.gif) Hope your "patience" is rewarded... |
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| Steve_7x |
Jun 20 2005, 06:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 181 Joined: 10-August 04 From: Sacramento Member No.: 2,503 |
Bill,
How recent is that Pic? How far are you on your project plan... sorry getting into PMP space - lol While I had to wait about a year to get all the body work fitted and painted. VERY Frustrating! The upside is when every one oohs and ahh's and they get major envy for the level of work and effort that went into the car. Steve |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 20 2005, 06:37 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,636 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
well, that picture doesn't quite do the car justice ... i know the tub first hand, a lot of work has already gone into it, the front shock mounts alone took quite a bit of building time. it will be a *very* nice car when done! (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smilie_pokal.gif) i do, however, understand your frustration. i too have had the feeling in the past that there must be something wrong with *my* money, because a shop did not seem to apprechiate it much ... i only dumped $5.5k in cash with said shop, not $31k, but still, makes you wonder ... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/unsure.gif) Andy |
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| nine14cats |
Jun 20 2005, 06:51 PM
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Bill Pickering -- 914-6 GT aka....Leeloo Group: Members Posts: 2,618 Joined: 10-February 03 From: Campbell, CA Member No.: 287 Region Association: None |
Hi Steve,
That pic is from April. The exterior doesn't look much different...but several decisions have been made on the car relative to parts and construction. 1. Fox Racing Shocks with the adjustable spindles are going on front and back. Includes coilovers up front. 2. Smart racing ARB up front. 3. Tarret prototype ARB on back. 4. Woodward power steering rack with remote pump. 5. Spraybars and remote oil cooler for my 915 WEVO transaxle with thermostat. 6. ERP 935 Front arms. (Makes fitting the power steering much easier). 7. Hydraulic clutch. Just waiting for the work to be done...... Bill P. |
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| Howard |
Jun 20 2005, 07:05 PM
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Incontin(g)ent Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,785 Joined: 24-July 03 From: Westlake Village, CA Member No.: 943 Region Association: None
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I'm probably gonna hate myself in the morning, but who's doing the work?
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| airsix |
Jun 20 2005, 07:14 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
If I hand over that much money for this kind of project I want the money held in escrow until the job is done. I've seen too many contractors loose focus once paid. Escrow would guarantee they get paid (good for them) and would guarantee the work got done in a timely manner (good for you).
-Ben M. |
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| EdwardBlume |
Jun 20 2005, 07:31 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California 
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Bill,
Sorry to hear your race car is moving like a govt project...... At least you have plenty of time to dream..... I've been waiting 20 years to restore my Dad's car to perfection... the last time I had work done to it was 7 years ago when it was getting a 1/10 th of another car welded into it. It was supposed to be ready for the drive away car for our wedding. Only missed the date by 3 months! To make it worse, we had to borrow my Dad in law's Vette. It was nice laying 20 feet of rubber in the Silver Creek parking lot though, and seeing my Dad in law's grin fade in the rearview mirror.... priceless. I've got to go to school now. Take care! PS - wanna help me pull my motor this August? |
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| spare time toys |
Jun 20 2005, 07:36 PM
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hooked on grilling food. Group: Members Posts: 4,059 Joined: 3-April 04 From: West Plano Tx Member No.: 1,884 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Im coming up on having mine "in work" for a year now. We kind of think of it as an ever changing on going bank draining project (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/huh.gif) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/blink.gif)
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| drew365 |
Jun 20 2005, 07:40 PM
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These are the good old days! Group: Members Posts: 2,004 Joined: 29-December 02 From: Sunny So. Cal. Member No.: 37 |
Here's my attempt to ease your pain. I have a '69 Ferrari. I took the engine out myself because it was tired and smoking, and brought it to a friend (my first mistake). He's a nationally known Ferrari engine expert and I knew he'd do a good job. What I didn't know is it would be a rainy day project. After two years and much prodding he finished the engine. I brought him the car to reinstall it, that's been nearly another year and it's still not complete. So it's been nearly 3 years and about $35k, ( I haven't actually added all the receipts up because I don't want to know it's more than that), and I still don't have a car to drive. Luckily I have the teener to keep me occupied.
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| Randal |
Jun 20 2005, 07:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
We need to get Bill on "Overhauling"
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| Thorshammer |
Jun 20 2005, 07:47 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 749 Joined: 11-November 03 Member No.: 1,335 |
Ben,
Don't take this wrong, but the first time you mentioned ESCROW in my shop, you would be finding someone else to build your pile, Even if I was the slowest guy available. Some of you forget, building racecars is not something many people are good at. As for this build, I would have never put in power steering???? If the front geometry is right, the car will only take a light touch, but you did say you Father was helping you, will he also be driving???. As for the fox front struts, the shaft diameter is too small and they will flex during cornering loads. don't ask me how I know. Unless they have changed the design lately. Ohlins are available from Kanna Motorsports in NC. They are superior to what you are planning. In your posts, you mentioned some decisions have been made? What do you mean, made? The build wasn't determined prior to starting? This is very odd to me. When I have built cars in the past, I have always ascertained what, where, when and how, and presented the options and the cost to perform those options. Many times the customer makes mid-build changes, which can and usually delays the build. This happened to me on a ChroMoly GP chassis I had built for a guy, when I received it, the chassis builder changed enough components, that the subassemblies I had did not work as a package. As for your chassis at this particular raceshop, I am aware of them and they have an excellent history as I am aware, but primarily with 911's. Maybe this project would have better been left to a shop or person that specialized in 914's and left the engine build to JWE, which is what I am familiar with them providing tremendous work. As for this project, either fish or cut bait. Maybe a "sit down" with the project manager/owner is in order. Maybe a final bill and a trailer to another shop is as well. Beware of the second. Tuners/builders have a tendency to want to redo certain work because it is not to their liking, and it can be more costly and time consuming than your current situation. Either way, it is not something that is good. But I tell you what, Book a flight to Mid Ohio and come crew and watch your 914 guys carry the 914 club flag. We would love to have you! Erik Madsen |
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