Valve Adjustment Question, How tight can you go on the valves for a 2.0? |
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Valve Adjustment Question, How tight can you go on the valves for a 2.0? |
dbreitkreutz |
Apr 10 2019, 04:07 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 20-February 11 From: Deer Park, WA. Member No.: 12,737 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hello,
I have a 74 with a 2.0 + with solid lifters (SCAT cam and lifters), Weber IDF 44s, open header (no heat exchangers) and Bursch exhaust. It runs cool as I have a deep sump pan bringing the oil up to 5 qts. Right now I adjust both exhaust and intake to .006 in. The valves are noisy. So the question is how tight can I go without burning the valves?? |
MarkV |
Apr 10 2019, 04:15 PM
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Fear the Jack Stands Group: Members Posts: 1,493 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson, AZ Member No.: 154 Region Association: None |
I wouldn't go any tighter than .06.
You could replace the rocker tips to swivels and install chromoly push rods. I think those get set at zero lash. You will have to shim the rocker stands and set the geometry. Mine sounds like someone is shaking a coffee can full of rocks. Doesn't bother me. |
dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Apr 10 2019, 04:20 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,864 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
6 intake 8 exhaust, do NOT go any tighter!!! Better loose valves than tight ones. I like the sound of a bit of valve clatter in a 914
Hello, I have a 74 with a 2.0 + with solid lifters (SCAT cam and lifters), Weber IDF 44s, open header (no heat exchangers) and Bursch exhaust. It runs cool as I have a deep sump pan bringing the oil up to 5 qts. Right now I adjust both exhaust and intake to .006 in. The valves are noisy. So the question is how tight can I go without burning the valves?? |
Superhawk996 |
Apr 10 2019, 04:25 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,824 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Valve clatter is a sign of air cooled character. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
Ever heard the dry clutch rattle on a Ducati? Sounds like metal bits will explode any second with all those clutch plates jangling around. When you hear it, you know it's a Ducati. Same with aircooled engines. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) Bring the noise! |
Mark Henry |
Apr 10 2019, 04:46 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
With steel push rods you can run zero lash, different expansion rate, but they're noisy on their own.
With steel PR's you can really hear them if you run them with .006". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
porschetub |
Apr 10 2019, 06:41 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,699 Joined: 25-July 15 From: New Zealand Member No.: 18,995 Region Association: None |
Clearances are the way they are to allow for engine expanding when it is up to temp,however if you have worn rocker gear and worn valve guides etc there will always be more noise that won't go away.
Worn guides are the start of further issues if on the exhaust side more than the intakes . The worse thing to have is tight exhaust valve clearances ,kinda like a bomb waiting to go off in a T4 due to the exhaust valve having a higher rate of expansion. Stick to the standard settings and you will be golden. |
Carl La Fong |
Apr 10 2019, 08:16 PM
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Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 137 Joined: 27-March 19 From: west Member No.: 23,000 Region Association: None |
My friend has a 2.2 type four with steel push rods and adjusts to .003. With ceramic lifters he hasn't had to adjust valves in years. But then maybe he needs to but just doesn't. He's kind of a lazy bastid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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Mark Henry |
Apr 11 2019, 06:55 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
My friend has a 2.2 type four with steel push rods and adjusts to .003. With ceramic lifters he hasn't had to adjust valves in years. But then maybe he needs to but just doesn't. He's kind of a lazy bastid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have ceramic lifters on my 2.6 T4 he should really be running zero lash, and ceramic lifters aren't magicail, you still have to do valve adjustments. |
VaccaRabite |
Apr 11 2019, 07:59 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
My friend has a 2.2 type four with steel push rods and adjusts to .003. With ceramic lifters he hasn't had to adjust valves in years. But then maybe he needs to but just doesn't. He's kind of a lazy bastid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have ceramic lifters on my 2.6 T4 he should really be running zero lash, and ceramic lifters aren't magicail, you still have to do valve adjustments. I've got ceramics and cromo pushrods and still need to adjust my valves (though I run 0 lash). I'm voting lazy bastard. Zach |
dbreitkreutz |
Apr 11 2019, 11:25 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 20-February 11 From: Deer Park, WA. Member No.: 12,737 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Hello, I have a 74 with a 2.0 + with solid lifters (SCAT cam and lifters), Weber IDF 44s, open header (no heat exchangers) and Bursch exhaust. It runs cool as I have a deep sump pan bringing the oil up to 5 qts. Right now I adjust both exhaust and intake to .006 in. The valves are noisy. So the question is how tight can I go without burning the valves?? Thanks for the info. I will stick to the .006 intake and .008 And just like the noise. |
Carl La Fong |
Apr 11 2019, 04:26 PM
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Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 137 Joined: 27-March 19 From: west Member No.: 23,000 Region Association: None |
My friend has a 2.2 type four with steel push rods and adjusts to .003. With ceramic lifters he hasn't had to adjust valves in years. But then maybe he needs to but just doesn't. He's kind of a lazy bastid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have ceramic lifters on my 2.6 T4 he should really be running zero lash, and ceramic lifters aren't magicail, you still have to do valve adjustments. He says they are not making noise yet so all is good right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
worn |
Apr 11 2019, 06:54 PM
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can't remember Group: Members Posts: 3,156 Joined: 3-June 11 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 13,152 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
My friend has a 2.2 type four with steel push rods and adjusts to .003. With ceramic lifters he hasn't had to adjust valves in years. But then maybe he needs to but just doesn't. He's kind of a lazy bastid. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have ceramic lifters on my 2.6 T4 he should really be running zero lash, and ceramic lifters aren't magicail, you still have to do valve adjustments. He says they are not making noise yet so all is good right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have noise, but then I have the chromoly and swivel feet. And a .006 lash. Too much? I like the sound. |
Mark Henry |
Apr 11 2019, 07:01 PM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
Jake dropped a ceramic lifter and it shattered like... well.... ceramic.
I believe there was a warning not to run excessive gap. .003 is likely OK but not optimal. |
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