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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
 May 23 2019, 11:13 AM
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914 Guru  Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None  |
by looking at this picture, who can tell me the year, month of production and vehicle id number range?
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| Mikey914 |
May 23 2019, 11:18 AM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None 
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Sail panel dealer installed actualy not sure on vintage
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| Cairo94507 |
May 23 2019, 11:32 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,714 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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I do not believe I have ever seen that heavily grained material on a factory build. But I guess anything could happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 23 2019, 11:32 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Mikey914 @ May 23 2019, 10:18 AM)  Sail panel dealer installed actualy not sure on vintage nope |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 23 2019, 11:39 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ May 23 2019, 10:32 AM) I do not believe I have ever seen that heavily grained material on a factory build. But I guess anything could happen. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) wrong |
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 23 2019, 11:43 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
this car came in last night for restoration from indianna. Pretty original car except for the left front fender having been replaced, the rest of the paint was original. Upon seeing the car from a bit of a distance and seeing the sail vinyl, I told him that I could guess the year, the month of production, and the first two digits of the serial number after the 47-29. He did not believe it, but I was dead on the money.
I have had several cars like this one and they all followed the formula |
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| Cairo94507 |
May 23 2019, 11:51 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,714 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California
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All right Doc, we are on pins and needles......
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 23 2019, 12:12 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
I first saw this anomaly on a very very original 24,000 mile car I purchased. Upon getting the 914 I actually thought "why in the world would someone replace the side vinyl on such a low mile original car?" THEN in the subsequent years I saw it more and more establishing a pattern. Every car that had it was the same sequence, like other anomalies during different years. This is absolute factory side vinyl in an obvious very different pattern than all of the rest of the production
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ May 23 2019, 10:51 AM) All right Doc, we are on pins and needles...... |
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| 914Sixer |
May 23 2019, 12:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,870 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Since Karmann built these cars along with several other car models, they used what was on the shelf that day. According to production records they were also building BMW 3.0 CS from 1971-1975. Might be a source of the vinyl in question.
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| 914_teener |
May 23 2019, 02:21 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,194 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(914Sixer @ May 23 2019, 11:27 AM) Since Karmann built these cars along with several other car models, they used what was on the shelf that day. According to production records they were also building BMW 3.0 CS from 1971-1975. Might be a source of the vinyl in question. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/first.gif) |
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| sixnotfour |
May 23 2019, 02:36 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
May 23 2019, 03:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,817 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
ok here is the info:
around id number 4762903700 the factory must have run out of side vinyl for the last 300 or so cars, switched to this rough grained vinyl. I have seen this many times over the years, and it never fails that it is a 3700 and up serial number so will have the rough grain |
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| rgalla9146 |
May 23 2019, 03:20 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,545 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None
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1971 is my guess
Goes along with the one year only elephant hyde interior |
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| 914Sixer |
May 23 2019, 03:28 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,870 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Personally I like the pattern better than the small sandpaper version. Gives more depth to the side. In the 70's when I did vinyl tops that would have been the Levant pattern. Mostly used on Ford products
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| dan10101 |
May 23 2019, 04:45 PM
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TORQUE-o-holic Group: Members Posts: 1,140 Joined: 29-April 03 From: Eagle Point, Or Member No.: 626 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I think our 71 1.7 falls into that category. the pattern looks real familiar.
But, that was almost 40 years ago.  |
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| Bleyseng |
May 23 2019, 05:01 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Looks like the vinyl I used to have on my car.
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| Mikey914 |
May 23 2019, 06:35 PM
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The rubber man Group: Members Posts: 12,638 Joined: 27-December 04 From: Hillsboro, OR Member No.: 3,348 Region Association: None
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I have seen this before, but it was on a 72. Had to check on which car it was, but figured it was a non factory option as they did come naked.
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| sixnotfour |
May 23 2019, 07:38 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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I call BS that is not a 1976...its the sam charter 914-6...look at the trim .....or its the first and the last had it ??
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| sixnotfour |
May 23 2019, 07:56 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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| sixnotfour |
May 23 2019, 08:02 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,411 Joined: 12-September 04 From: Life Elevated..planet UT. Member No.: 2,744 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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strange you only have a weird pic...
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