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> Differences between amateur and professional wiring?
Tdskip
post Jan 3 2020, 07:12 PM
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OK guys - we have some very talented people here and I'm hoping to bring my wiring skills up a level.

What separates amateur wiring from a pro level? One item that comes to mind - no use of Harbor Freight connectors (which I am guilt of).

What else comes to mind?
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Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next level. All solder joints should be shiny when completed. Connectors should be marine grade heat shrink style that require a heat gun to complete. Wiring should be bundled neatly and routed in a manner that does not cause stress on any of the wires. Wires should be of the required size, color coded or labeled in a manner that makes identification easy. That should get your started. The real pros will chime in shortly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
EDIT: buy a good set of crimpers. They'll be north of $70
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post Jan 3 2020, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(76-914 @ Jan 3 2020, 08:26 PM) *

Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next level.

EDIT: buy a good set of crimpers. They'll be north of $70


Agree completely that you need a good set of crimpers. Note that crimpers are specific to the type of termination you are using (Spade, Molex, Weatherpack, Deutsch, Amphenol, etc.). 914's use really low end spade connectors which are really low tech but cheap and easy to fix which has it merits. Mac Tools and Snap-on both have some nice crimers that basically roll the crimp inward rather than simply crushing it from both sides like cheap crimping pliers.

QUOTE(bandjoey @ Jan 3 2020, 09:00 PM) *

....Soldering should not be used in an automotive strand wire application.
Why Not?


Beware of soldering vehicle wiring. The solder wicks up into the wire and creates a non flexible termination. If the soldered termination is subject to vibration (and it will be in a car) it will fatigue and crack over time. I know there are DoD military vehicles with soldered connections and I can tell you horror stories about that wiring and associated military style Amphenol connectors. Likewise I've seen plenty of race cars with soldered connections. Some good, some terrible. Race cars are not typically subjected to decades of use. Not saying don't ever solder but minimize it and for sure don't over do the solder and have it wicking up into the wire beyond where the crimp ends. Personally no solder for me.

Trying to create a shrink wrap strain relief often creates more havoc that what it was intended to prevent. Automotive wiring needs flexibilty at its termination to survive. Nothing wrong with a little bit of strain relief where harness split's into Y formations though. Again, don't over do it. Flexibility is critical to survival.

You will not find soldered connectors (other than on a mid harness splice) on modern vehicles. Not for cost but rather that you want the flexibility of a crip termination and the lack of vibration fatigue problems.

As previously referenced what sets the men from the boys:

1) Neatness. Braided sheath, convolute, or simple wiring tape really makes it tidy.

2) Leaving enough service length so the connector isn't severely flex'd and so it can be removed later without stressing the wire.

3) Properly crimped connections. Crimp them, then pull on them - hard, they should not slip or give. A properly crimed connector will not let lose before the wire itself breaks.

4) Color coding and consistency. Don't be cheap. Buy quality wires with unique tracer markings. Plenty of sources for vintange and German wiring colors.

https://www.riwire.com/

Look at Jeff Bowlsby's wiring harness designs. Very nice and a good benchmark to shoot for.
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Tdskip   Differences between amateur and professional wiring?   Jan 3 2020, 07:12 PM
76-914   Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next ...   Jan 3 2020, 07:26 PM
Superhawk996   Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next...   Jan 3 2020, 08:06 PM
914forme   Wire should be SAE Type GPT wire at minimum. Use ...   Jan 3 2020, 07:48 PM
bandjoey   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol.1...   Jan 3 2020, 08:00 PM
ClayPerrine   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol....   Jan 4 2020, 06:46 PM
porschetub   [quote name='bandjoey' post='2774490' date='Jan 3...   Jan 4 2020, 07:57 PM
Superhawk996   I completely disagree with the comment about not...   Jan 4 2020, 08:59 PM
Tdskip   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol....   Jan 8 2020, 08:23 AM
bbrock   I'll just add a little to the already excellen...   Jan 3 2020, 08:37 PM
Superhawk996   Here is a list of some of the part numbers I use...   Jan 3 2020, 09:09 PM
Costa05   If you are a bit detail obsessed like me, I found ...   Jan 3 2020, 09:43 PM
barefoot   If you are a bit detail obsessed like me, I found...   Jan 4 2020, 07:29 AM
Costa05   [quote name='Costa05' post='2774519' date='Jan 3 ...   Jan 4 2020, 08:58 PM
AZBanks   Great wiring write-up. https://www.rbracing-rsr.c...   Jan 4 2020, 01:48 AM
Superhawk996   Great wiring write-up. https://www.rbracing-rsr....   Jan 4 2020, 04:38 AM
gereed75   That is a really good guide! The Home built a...   Jan 4 2020, 04:27 AM
falcor75   Dont use any kind of tape to wrap your harness wit...   Jan 4 2020, 07:44 AM
Tdskip   I thought this would be a useful topic, thanks for...   Jan 4 2020, 09:28 AM
gereed75   My recommendations from https://www.steinair.com/p...   Jan 4 2020, 09:45 AM
bbrock   I've been really happy with this budget crimpi...   Jan 4 2020, 10:27 AM
ClayPerrine   Having been professionally trained on alll methods...   Jan 5 2020, 06:33 AM
Tjmrfe   Having been professionally trained on alll method...   Jan 5 2020, 08:34 AM
Superhawk996   Having been professionally trained on alll method...   Jan 5 2020, 11:35 AM
gereed75   I think You are both right. For our purposes, wel...   Jan 5 2020, 08:47 AM
914forme   @ClayPerrine Clay you are 100% correct, but an am...   Jan 5 2020, 08:54 AM
gereed75   Stephen, pretty much what I was trying to say. I ...   Jan 5 2020, 10:03 AM
gereed75   The thought of service loops got me thinking furth...   Jan 5 2020, 10:41 AM
Tom   Simply put, crimps are better if you don't kno...   Jan 7 2020, 10:43 AM
bandjoey   You all missed the most effective wire connection....   Jan 7 2020, 11:06 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   original colored wires and sized correctly, solder...   Jan 7 2020, 11:08 AM
johnhora   Thanks to all who have contributed their informati...   Jan 8 2020, 09:45 AM
johnorm   Whether you solder or crimp don't scrimp on th...   Jan 8 2020, 06:39 PM
Tdskip   Yeee haaa. HOLY COW these are nice to use. Thanks...   Jan 9 2020, 11:32 AM
jd74914   HOLY COW these are nice to use. Thanks for the en...   Jan 9 2020, 12:46 PM
IronHillRestorations   I use black PVC jacketing on my engine harnesses, ...   Jan 9 2020, 11:53 AM
bbrock   and too heavy of a gauge will make the wire bundl...   Jan 9 2020, 03:45 PM
Al Meredith   We Probably don't need one more 2 cents but, I...   Jan 9 2020, 03:14 PM
Larmo63   Hold my beer.........   Jan 9 2020, 09:01 PM
ClayPerrine   Hold my beer......... http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 10 2020, 08:50 AM
Tdskip   [quote name='Larmo63' post='2776095' date='Jan 9 ...   Jan 10 2020, 09:20 AM
gereed75   Don’t start with the substandard examples - I ju...   Jan 10 2020, 08:02 AM
mlindner   Professional.....Perry Kiehl. Engine harness is a ...   Jan 10 2020, 02:09 PM
TravisNeff   Now that you have some good racheting tools and di...   Jan 10 2020, 02:56 PM
Superhawk996   There are also types of connectors that not only...   Jan 11 2020, 08:07 AM
bbrock   I will also point out that the crimpers the OP pos...   Jan 11 2020, 10:24 AM
Tdskip   I will also point out that the crimpers the OP po...   Jan 11 2020, 12:19 PM


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