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> Differences between amateur and professional wiring?
Tdskip
post Jan 3 2020, 07:12 PM
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OK guys - we have some very talented people here and I'm hoping to bring my wiring skills up a level.

What separates amateur wiring from a pro level? One item that comes to mind - no use of Harbor Freight connectors (which I am guilt of).

What else comes to mind?
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post Jan 3 2020, 08:00 PM
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http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol.15SEP16.pdf

I learned a lot from this site. I'm kinda an advanced amateur.


....Soldering should not be used in an automotive strand wire application.
Why Not?
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post Jan 4 2020, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(bandjoey @ Jan 3 2020, 08:00 PM) *

http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol.15SEP16.pdf

I learned a lot from this site. I'm kinda an advanced amateur.


....Soldering should not be used in an automotive strand wire application.
Why Not?



I completely disagree with the comment about not soldering the wires. That is an old wives tale. If you take a close look at a factory 914 harness, you will find that every connection on it is soldered. When I rebuilt the DME harness for the 4.0L motor, every connection on it was soldered when I disassembled it. If you do it right, soldering the connections is a very good, reliable connection.

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QUOTE(ClayPerrine @ Jan 4 2020, 07:46 PM) *


I completely disagree with the comment about not soldering the wires. That is an old wives tale. If you take a close look at a factory 914 harness, you will find that every connection on it is soldered. When I rebuilt the DME harness for the 4.0L motor, every connection on it was soldered when I disassembled it. If you do it right, soldering the connections is a very good, reliable connection.



There is material science behind the recommendation. It is not an old wives tale.

A stranded wire that is soldered esentially becomes a larger gauge solid wire. That singular wire then work hardens due to vibration. With enough time and vibration it will break.

The analogy is to take a coat hanger (single strand wire). Now begin bending it back and forth (i.e. low frequency vibration). Eventually it work hardens and breaks. if you speed up the the bending (vibration frequency) or the amount you bend the wire (the vibration amplitude) the faster it breaks.

Copper work hardens in the same way that steel does though it takes longer.

This is the reason automotive uses stranded wire. Multiple smaller gauge wires are more flexible than a singe larger strand and work harden over a much longer period of time.

I'm not sure what harness you're looking that is soldered. There are many crimped spade connectors that have a bit of insulation over the spade to prevent shorts but the connections underneath are crimped not soldered.

The sole exception that I'm aware of is I think the 14 way engine harness "bullets" are soldered at the very end. They are then inserted into the 14 way plastic connector and capped / clamped in position such that those little bullets are not exposed to vibration the way the rest of the spade connectors in the engine compartment are. The wires coming out of that 14 way harness are able to flex freely. I would go look to be sure but my engine harness is currently in storage. Going from memory the only other connector that uses those soldered bullets is the trans reverse switch which is notorious for breakage.
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Tdskip   Differences between amateur and professional wiring?   Jan 3 2020, 07:12 PM
76-914   Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next ...   Jan 3 2020, 07:26 PM
Superhawk996   Solder your crimp fittings to take it to the next...   Jan 3 2020, 08:06 PM
914forme   Wire should be SAE Type GPT wire at minimum. Use ...   Jan 3 2020, 07:48 PM
bandjoey   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol.1...   Jan 3 2020, 08:00 PM
ClayPerrine   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol....   Jan 4 2020, 06:46 PM
porschetub   [quote name='bandjoey' post='2774490' date='Jan 3...   Jan 4 2020, 07:57 PM
Superhawk996   I completely disagree with the comment about not...   Jan 4 2020, 08:59 PM
Tdskip   http://www.visioneng.com/wp-content/upload...rol....   Jan 8 2020, 08:23 AM
bbrock   I'll just add a little to the already excellen...   Jan 3 2020, 08:37 PM
Superhawk996   Here is a list of some of the part numbers I use...   Jan 3 2020, 09:09 PM
Costa05   If you are a bit detail obsessed like me, I found ...   Jan 3 2020, 09:43 PM
barefoot   If you are a bit detail obsessed like me, I found...   Jan 4 2020, 07:29 AM
Costa05   [quote name='Costa05' post='2774519' date='Jan 3 ...   Jan 4 2020, 08:58 PM
AZBanks   Great wiring write-up. https://www.rbracing-rsr.c...   Jan 4 2020, 01:48 AM
Superhawk996   Great wiring write-up. https://www.rbracing-rsr....   Jan 4 2020, 04:38 AM
gereed75   That is a really good guide! The Home built a...   Jan 4 2020, 04:27 AM
falcor75   Dont use any kind of tape to wrap your harness wit...   Jan 4 2020, 07:44 AM
Tdskip   I thought this would be a useful topic, thanks for...   Jan 4 2020, 09:28 AM
gereed75   My recommendations from https://www.steinair.com/p...   Jan 4 2020, 09:45 AM
bbrock   I've been really happy with this budget crimpi...   Jan 4 2020, 10:27 AM
ClayPerrine   Having been professionally trained on alll methods...   Jan 5 2020, 06:33 AM
Tjmrfe   Having been professionally trained on alll method...   Jan 5 2020, 08:34 AM
Superhawk996   Having been professionally trained on alll method...   Jan 5 2020, 11:35 AM
gereed75   I think You are both right. For our purposes, wel...   Jan 5 2020, 08:47 AM
914forme   @ClayPerrine Clay you are 100% correct, but an am...   Jan 5 2020, 08:54 AM
gereed75   Stephen, pretty much what I was trying to say. I ...   Jan 5 2020, 10:03 AM
gereed75   The thought of service loops got me thinking furth...   Jan 5 2020, 10:41 AM
Tom   Simply put, crimps are better if you don't kno...   Jan 7 2020, 10:43 AM
bandjoey   You all missed the most effective wire connection....   Jan 7 2020, 11:06 AM
dr914@autoatlanta.com   original colored wires and sized correctly, solder...   Jan 7 2020, 11:08 AM
johnhora   Thanks to all who have contributed their informati...   Jan 8 2020, 09:45 AM
johnorm   Whether you solder or crimp don't scrimp on th...   Jan 8 2020, 06:39 PM
Tdskip   Yeee haaa. HOLY COW these are nice to use. Thanks...   Jan 9 2020, 11:32 AM
jd74914   HOLY COW these are nice to use. Thanks for the en...   Jan 9 2020, 12:46 PM
IronHillRestorations   I use black PVC jacketing on my engine harnesses, ...   Jan 9 2020, 11:53 AM
bbrock   and too heavy of a gauge will make the wire bundl...   Jan 9 2020, 03:45 PM
Al Meredith   We Probably don't need one more 2 cents but, I...   Jan 9 2020, 03:14 PM
Larmo63   Hold my beer.........   Jan 9 2020, 09:01 PM
ClayPerrine   Hold my beer......... http://www.914world.com/bb...   Jan 10 2020, 08:50 AM
Tdskip   [quote name='Larmo63' post='2776095' date='Jan 9 ...   Jan 10 2020, 09:20 AM
gereed75   Don’t start with the substandard examples - I ju...   Jan 10 2020, 08:02 AM
mlindner   Professional.....Perry Kiehl. Engine harness is a ...   Jan 10 2020, 02:09 PM
TravisNeff   Now that you have some good racheting tools and di...   Jan 10 2020, 02:56 PM
Superhawk996   There are also types of connectors that not only...   Jan 11 2020, 08:07 AM
bbrock   I will also point out that the crimpers the OP pos...   Jan 11 2020, 10:24 AM
Tdskip   I will also point out that the crimpers the OP po...   Jan 11 2020, 12:19 PM


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