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dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Jan 21 2020, 12:55 PM
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Johny Blackstain |
Jan 22 2020, 12:12 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
As I recall, the 924 had it's own NARP reputation back in the day... "more Audi than Porsche". Through factory research and development it evolved into the 944. However, they brought the 924 back in 86 with the 924S, essentially a narrow fenders 944 in disguise & a pretty good car- best of the 924s' that came to the US.
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ClayPerrine |
Jan 22 2020, 12:23 PM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,470 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
As I recall, the 924 had it's own NARP reputation back in the day... "more Audi than Porsche". Through factory research and development, it evolved into the 944. However they brought the 924 back in 86 with the 924S which essentially was a narrow fenders 944 in disguise & a pretty good car- best of the 924s' that came to the US. If you look at the history of the 924, it was never designed as a Porsche. Audi asked Porsche to design a sportscar for them. When Audi decided not to build it, Porsche then took it and made the 924. Because it was designed for Audi originally, it used lots of VW/Audi parts. The front suspension was from the super beetle, the rear suspension was from the super beetle, the engine was from the Audi fox, the transmission was from the Audi fox, and lots of the interior bits were from the VW parts bin as well. That's why the interior door handles and the turn signal and wiper switches fit both a 914 and a 924. The guts of the steering column all use Beetle parts. The ignition lock from a 924 will fit in a 914, but the key is different. There are way more VW/Audi parts in a 924 than VW/Audi parts in a 914. But Porsche put a hood badge on the 924, so it doesn't get labeled a NARP. The 944 was Porsche improving the original 924. The put flares on it, changed out the engine for a Porsche designed 2.5 water cooled 4 cylinder, and improved the brakes. Later models got the Audi sourced gauge cluster replaced with a Porsche designed one. The 924s was created to make a lower cost car, but it was just the older 944 model without the flares. Vehicle manufacturers are cheap. They will reuse and repurpose parts and designs to cut costs on new cars any way they can. The 924 is a perfect example of parts bin engineering. |
Superhawk996 |
Jan 23 2020, 05:49 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,832 Joined: 25-August 18 From: Woods of N. Idaho Member No.: 22,428 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
Vehicle manufacturers are cheap. They will reuse and repurpose parts and designs to cut costs on new cars any way they can. The 924 is a perfect example of parts bin engineering. We prefer to think of it as efficient and working to satisfy the needs of "cheap" customers that require a vehicle to be built to a competitive price point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That was actually the beauty of the 914, 924, and even the 944 - they were more affordable because of the parts sharing. The other option is to design all new every time which is not done by any major OEM. That would be hugely expensive for both the OEM and the potential customers. All new every time means owners get hosed by lack of parts commonality down the road that drives up service prices. Great examples of evolution and re-use is the 911 itself. Lots of parts commonality over the years and a huge aftermarket supporting the model with cheaper than OEM parts. The domestic equivalent is something like a Jeep Wranger with only minor modifications across it's long life and a huge aftermarket of parts. |
ClayPerrine |
Jan 23 2020, 07:48 AM
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Life's been good to me so far..... Group: Admin Posts: 15,470 Joined: 11-September 03 From: Hurst, TX. Member No.: 1,143 Region Association: NineFourteenerVille |
Vehicle manufacturers are cheap. They will reuse and repurpose parts and designs to cut costs on new cars any way they can. The 924 is a perfect example of parts bin engineering. We prefer to think of it as efficient and working to satisfy the needs of "cheap" customers that require a vehicle to be built to a competitive price point. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That was actually the beauty of the 914, 924, and even the 944 - they were more affordable because of the parts sharing. The other option is to design all new every time which is not done by any major OEM. That would be hugely expensive for both the OEM and the potential customers. All new every time means owners get hosed by lack of parts commonality down the road that drives up service prices. Great examples of evolution and re-use is the 911 itself. Lots of parts commonality over the years and a huge aftermarket supporting the model with cheaper than OEM parts. The domestic equivalent is something like a Jeep Wranger with only minor modifications across it's long life and a huge aftermarket of parts. That is great, up to a point. The prototype Pontiac Fiero was a great sports car. The engine was a turbo v-6 from the Buick GNX, and it had a complete new design for the front suspension that made the car handle great. The production car used the "Iron Duke" 4 cylinder engine and the front suspension came from the Chevette. It was underpowered and handled terribly. The target market for it wanted an inexpensive entry level sports car. They got a crappy imitation. So it didn't last long. The 924 was a poor seller until Porsche replaced the Audi Fox engine with a Porsche designed 2.5L 4 cylinder, flared the fenders and renamed it the 944. They also had to put a lot of engineering time into improving the handling. |
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