Vintage Car and Driver mag 914 test Options

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I think a lot more Fiat 124 and MGBs made it to over 100k miles without requirjngmajor work than 914s....

Our blinders are a bit on here guys...

Yes, you're right. It's a love thing. I love my 914. It's one of those human issues.

The 914 certainly feels WAY different than all of those others, and I think (except for the Fiat 124 maybe) have aged better.

[DickSteinkamp]

The 914 certainly feels WAY different than all of those others, and I think (except for the Fiat 124 maybe) have aged better.

I think the 914 had as many detractors as lovers of the styling when they were new...and pretty much the same now.

It would be tough to find a critic of the 124 styling then and the same now.

[whitetwinturbo]

..........I owned (from showroom floor new) a 1970 Opel GT 1900cc for 17 years. Great car except in SoCal no AC was tough from time to time. My girlfriend bought a 1.8 914 sometime after my Opel and it was WAAAAY better than my Opel in every way.

[Superhawk996]

The old days when the auto magazines would do more than just print the bullet points and the stock photos out of the press package. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[gereed75]

I remember that issue and still may have it. Bunch of friends had MGB and Fiats

My general feelings - Italian engineering and design (especially the X/19) was really good, built quality and materials not so good. British sportcars were old simplistic designs, Often updated via the parts bin with even older stuff. German engineering was really good, efficiency of design being valued, and execution and materials were excellent.

The 914 was a revolutionary design compared to its peers - mid engined and practical with fuel injection no less. The aircooled motor was an efficient package (operationally and packaging wise), but the longevity of aircooled motors is not good compared to water cooled.

It just struck me as an elegant design. The mid engine thing just screams race car but the design overcame all of the impracticalities of that configuration for a street car, something that has never really been done since. Throw in the open/ hard top - wow

[Mayne]

I’ve always had a soft spot for the GT6. But having worked on a couple different TR6s and a TR4, I’d be wary to get one now. But that inline six is a great sounding motor.

I spent a summer driving a MGB GT, alternating daily with my Datsun roadster. I really liked the GT; it felt pretty solid and satisfying to drive.

But even when I was younger, 914s always seemed so special and unique. In the 80s, I would connive my way into a test drive whenever I saw one at a used car lot. Now I think they one of the most unique cars you see in the road. Glad I have mine!

A great car missing from this road test is the 240Z.

[Superhawk996]

. . . the longevity of aircooled motors is not good compared to water cooled.

Have to disagree on that point. Especially so as compared to 1970's era domestic watercooled.

I've personally run a Type 4 1911cc engine 100K miles reliably. Compare that to an era where it was not uncommon for a domestic 70's era water pumper to be largely done at 100k miles. Is a T4 as reliable as a modern water pumper? Not at all, but, now we're not making an equal comparison.

The biggest issues with air cooled were the uninformed nincompoop's that unintentionally overheated them, ran them stupid rich on carbs washing down cylinder walls, didn't change the oil, didn't adjust valves, and/or removed the cooling flaps.

Likewise, T4's do not do well (w.r.t. longevity) when hot rodded beyond their design limitations vs. domestic iron. Domestic V8's were easily hot rot rodded and supported by a huge aftermarket with proven hop up solutions. Finding knowledgeable support for the T4 engines used to be a challenge back in the pre internet era.

It is true that air cooled is not as good at managing emissions. That was the main reason for the demise of air cooled engines.

Personally, I think Porsche would have kept pursuing the air cooled motors longer if they had been able to get around the emissions issues.

[EvilOlderBrother]

I remember that article. It convinced me to trade my '65 Ghia convertible for a '70 914.

[Root_Werks]

Look how many cool and affordable sports cars you had as a buyer to choose from. That is cool!

[gereed75]

Good points Hawk, yea I knew some of my friends who blew up their DOHC fiats.

The simplicity of the air cooling and boxer form just fit the whole design of this car so well. Thinking more about the innovation/engineering of the 914 beyond mid engined two trunks:

Full IRS front and rear with a Suspension design that conserved interior space

Fuel tank in the middle of the car for low polar moment

Five speed transaxle

Rack and pinion

Four wheel discs

Real room for two full sized people

Targa removable hardtop

Fairly stiff open top unibody

Light weight

And the little stuff - pop up lights, air pressure windshield squirters, simple ventilation/ heat

Very elegant piece of engineering!

[Superhawk996]

Very elegant piece of engineering!

Adding to your great list:

Torsion bar suspension keeps weight low and more centralized vs. coil overs . Further lowering polar moment of inertia and lowering Cg.

Bilstein inverted struts available to lower unsprung mass. Virtually unheard of at that price point.

Alloy wheels available at a time when industry was almost 100% steel.

[914werke]

Owned or drove all but the Opel GT

"Sports cars you can race" I guess that why they left off the Vega & Pinto (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

[Carbon-14]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSNvegZoBJo

https://www.google.com/search?q=pro+stock+p...42&biw=1510
https://www.google.com/search?q=pro+stock+v...510&bih=742
GM's third successful aluminum block engines, sure, racing them was the first thing that came to mind, back then.
The Cosworth Vegas were and are still sporty, the marketing in the Players colors made for good sales strategy.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1976-chev...-cosworth-vega/

[MM1]

. . . the longevity of aircooled motors is not good compared to water cooled.

Have to disagree on that point. Especially so as compared to 1970's era domestic watercooled.

I've personally run a Type 4 1911cc engine 100K miles reliably. Compare that to an era where it was not uncommon for a domestic 70's era water pumper to be largely done at 100k miles. Is a T4 as reliable as a modern water pumper? Not at all, but, now we're not making an equal comparison.

The biggest issues with air cooled were the uninformed nincompoop's that unintentionally overheated them, ran them stupid rich on carbs washing down cylinder walls, didn't change the oil, didn't adjust valves, and/or removed the cooling flaps.

Likewise, T4's do not do well (w.r.t. longevity) when hot rodded beyond their design limitations vs. domestic iron. Domestic V8's were easily hot rot rodded and supported by a huge aftermarket with proven hop up solutions. Finding knowledgeable support for the T4 engines used to be a challenge back in the pre internet era.

It is true that air cooled is not as good at managing emissions. That was the main reason for the demise of air cooled engines.

Personally, I think Porsche would have kept pursuing the air cooled motors longer if they had been able to get around the emissions issues.

The first Porsche I ever drove was my friend's '83 SC. He bought it with 80k miles on it . . .he let me drive it on our "little track behind work" when it had 235k miles. Did it drive like a 27 year old car? Yes-but the motor was strong and I drove the sh*! out of for a few laps because he told me to . . .felt that classic steering wiggle for the first time just past the bottom of our "little Eau Rouge".

Just a year or 2 ago I drove it again with 283k on the clock . . .ran as strong as the first time . . .that motor has never been opened up . . .nothing but routine maintenance.

[gereed75]

Yep, an aluminum case 3.2 with nikasil and good head studs was pretty bullet proof. Was not gonna happen with a mag case, Dilavar head stud, reactor equipped 2.7!

The low stressed T4, well maintained was pretty good too!

Anyway, for 1973 the 914 was certainly a breath of fresh air and an evolutionary sea change compared to the “classic” sports cars of the time and still pretty slick

[lalee914]

Road & Track had a similar article about the same time. Here is a link to my website which has the R&T article in PDF form. Search for SCCA or Showroom to find it near the bottom of the page

http://p914-6info.net/video_2.htm

[Rose914]

Many of you have probably seen this, but I found an old C/D issue from April 1973. This is special to me since I was in high school at the time, a dedicated C/D reader, and wishing for my first car. This comparison test almost made me wish for a 914, but instead I fell for the winner, the Fiat 124 Spider. A couple of years later, I got one from an insurance salvage yard. That started me on the evil path of DIY auto mechanics and body work.

Wow. Nice blast from the past. I recall that article. I bought a new 124 Spyder in 1973 and enjoyed it driving around California while I was in the service. My best friend had the MGB then he got the Opel. His mom had a Carman Ghia. Now I have the 914. Love them all!

[MM1]

Road & Track had a similar article about the same time. Here is a link to my website which has the R&T article in PDF form. Search for SCCA or Showroom to find it near the bottom of the page

http://p914-6info.net/video_2.htm

Thank you @lalee914 -great stuff!