Anyone seen a double stamp on Vin plate headlight bucket, Too much beer during lunch? |
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Anyone seen a double stamp on Vin plate headlight bucket, Too much beer during lunch? |
burton73 |
Jan 25 2020, 10:27 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,510 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
Anyone seen a double stamp on Vin plate headlight bucket
Too much beer during lunch? One number is upside down. 4732917226 and 2917221 5 OFF Nice 3.2 conversion in sweet blue for my bud. Bob B (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
Krieger |
Jan 25 2020, 11:57 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,704 Joined: 24-May 04 From: Santa Rosa CA Member No.: 2,104 Region Association: None |
Oops! Jeez...
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Gustl |
Jan 26 2020, 12:23 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,492 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
it's a repro VIN tag and it's not stamped but engraved
very likely, that the guy who did this, just fixed it in the wrong way in the engrave-machine ... |
iankarr |
Jan 26 2020, 07:58 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
What make this look like a repro?
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914Sixer |
Jan 26 2020, 08:02 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,872 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Tag looks OEM to me. Somebody just screwed up when they put the tag in and turned it over to correct it.
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iankarr |
Jan 26 2020, 09:13 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Tag looks OEM to me. Somebody just screwed up when they put the tag in and turned it over to correct it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
Gustl |
Jan 26 2020, 11:35 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,492 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
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burton73 |
Jan 26 2020, 11:52 AM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,510 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
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iankarr |
Jan 26 2020, 12:10 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
What make this look like a repro? originals are stamped, and this one shows no signs of being stamped in addition, the "wave" symbol between the two rivets looks a little different than on other original VIN tags but of course, I don't know for sure ... Not sure what you mean by signs of being stamped. The un-changing parts of the plate were stamp embossed, and the serialized VIN numbers were stamped. Burton...to my eye, you frunk VIN plate looks legit. Here's a side-by-side with mine, which is original...and a jpg of one of the repops below. Look closely at the spacing between the embossed letters. That's indicative of being stamped by a die that was common to all cars. Your "imperfections", with the exception of the double stamp, look identical. The repro tag's embossed letters are not as sharp as the OEMs. In particular, look how the "g" is filled in on "Heizg". If this were a coin, you'd have someting priceless! Of course, this is just my opinion...and I'm heavily medicated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
altitude411 |
Jan 26 2020, 12:17 PM
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I drove my 6 into a tree Group: Members Posts: 1,306 Joined: 21-September 14 From: montana Member No.: 17,932 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
I agree w/ Gustl. the vin plate appears to be repo. The plate has been engraved and not punched, also the font is to large.
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iankarr |
Jan 26 2020, 12:23 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
I agree w/ Gustl. the vin plate appears to be repo. The plate has been engraved and not punched, also the font is to large. Not wanting to pull the fire alarm here, but I think yours may be the repro. The size, font and shape of the stamped VIN letters don't match the factory style, which you can also cross reference on top of the right wheel well. |
altitude411 |
Jan 26 2020, 01:09 PM
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I drove my 6 into a tree Group: Members Posts: 1,306 Joined: 21-September 14 From: montana Member No.: 17,932 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Sorry, the image I posted was from a well documented car. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/7...e_914_c569.html
I see this font on a lot of 72 vin tags. Did they change for 73> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
gandalf_025 |
Jan 26 2020, 02:16 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 25-June 09 From: North Shore, Massachusetts Member No.: 10,509 Region Association: North East States |
Does anyone know if these varied by year and if the 6's were different..??
Just noticed the 6 version says Porsche vs Volkswagen But still don't know if the 4's varied by year..? |
poorsche914 |
Jan 26 2020, 02:42 PM
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T4 Supercharged Group: Members Posts: 3,087 Joined: 28-May 09 From: Smoky Mountains Member No.: 10,419 Region Association: South East States |
Does anyone know if these varied by year... ?? Looks like factory plates included the the year in the initial number sequence while the aftermarket only has "47" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
FlacaProductions |
Jan 26 2020, 02:53 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,568 Joined: 24-November 17 From: LA Member No.: 21,628 Region Association: Southern California |
Mine for comparison - original as far as I know...
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iankarr |
Jan 26 2020, 03:02 PM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
Sorry, the image I posted was from a well documented car. http://www.californiaclassix.com/archive/7...e_914_c569.html I see this font on a lot of 72 vin tags. Did they change for 73> (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Interesting. Yes, it's very possible the factory changed the font in 73. Anyone else want to post their 69-72 plates for comparison? Sorry for the hijack...it appears that @Burton73 has a legit tag. |
burton73 |
Jan 26 2020, 09:40 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,510 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
My 1970 model 6 is at PMB and as I remember it the plate was stamped with the vin on the front while the main info that was done in bulk where stamped from the back.
So, the factory made plenty of these stamped from the back only missing the 7 numbers that I believe where done as needed for production. Must have been the place where the vins on A pillar the stamped as well as the inner fender vins. Came together So, the concern on this car with the double stamp does not matter but the fact that a pillar is not there is a concern for CA or a tight judge at the DMV Bob B |
SirAndy |
Jan 26 2020, 10:11 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,610 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
originals are stamped, and this one shows no signs of being stamped in addition, the "wave" symbol between the two rivets looks a little different than on other original VIN tags but of course, I don't know for sure ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I just looked at my original '70 /4 plate and Gustl's observations are spot on ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
SirAndy |
Jan 26 2020, 10:16 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,610 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The "wave" above the stamped (!) vin is supposed to be made of triangular shaped peaks that have sharper edges.
The wave in the original image posted is too rounded ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
iankarr |
Jan 27 2020, 08:28 AM
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The wrencher formerly known as Cuddy_K Group: Members Posts: 2,472 Joined: 22-May 15 From: Heber City, UT Member No.: 18,749 Region Association: Intermountain Region |
It seems there may be two different plates and/or fonts used on different model years. @Poorsche914 makes a good point about the repo plates...they're missing an embossed model year digit, which is probably the smoking gun as to authenticity. Would be great to see other members' plates to confirm the early and late stamping styles...and when the switch occurred. Also whether the stamp on the right fender arch shares the same font in early cars, like it does in late. @davep
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