 Warning- #043 MPS now list @$1,652.50, Get one while you can (used or rebuilt) |
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| TJB/914 |
 Jul 6 2005, 02:27 PM
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Mid-Engn.  Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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Hey Guys,
I bought my (new) MPS #043 back in August 2003 (list $1,286.37) with a 45% discount for what I thought was robbery at $700 bucks. I purchased it locally (Farmington Hills, MI) from S-G Imported Car Parts, Inc. & really glad I did. In Aug 2004 it went bad & they replaced it free. Now this same one went bad & they again replaced it free. Moral of the story. Be sure you buy from a reputable FLAPS, becasue the price is now list @ $1.652.50 (less your discount). My advise is start looking for used ones or rebuilt one's. This is the heart of our D-Jet F.I. and you will need one if you stay with F.I. I been dealing with our club guys Bleyseng & Bowlsby for the other parts on my electrical D-Jet re-do. I can't say enough for these guys. Support them so they are around a long time. Great quality & service. Tom BTW #037 MPS is the same story. Attached thumbnail(s) 
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| Andyrew |
Jul 6 2005, 02:33 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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Wow, thats about the price it cost me to put a sbc in my car....
As of now. I have No regrets. |
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| lapuwali |
Jul 6 2005, 02:42 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743  |
For well under $1600, you can buy one of several different aftermarket EFI systems, with a full harness and sensors, and probably even a set of injectors. These won't require a failure prone electro-mechanical MPS, and are tunable to boot.
The only reason to stick with D-Jet these days is for a concours competition. |
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| anthony |
Jul 6 2005, 02:45 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
I wonder why the price keeps skyrocketing? The new price can't be representative of manufacturing costs. Wouldn't Bosch just have a store of prebuilt MPSes and then just calibrate them for the application and stamp them with the right number?
I wonder what their strategy is? Raise the price until zero are sold and then discontinue the part number? I just keep stocking piling spares that I find at swap meets. I've got more than enough to last now until I go to something like Megasquirt. |
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| nebreitling |
Jul 6 2005, 02:48 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
yup, they are now more expensive then they are worth.
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| william harris |
Jul 6 2005, 02:48 PM
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914 Restorer Group: Members Posts: 1,459 Joined: 9-January 04 From: Hamilton, MA Member No.: 1,539 |
So, what is a reliable, affordable and accessible alternative???? I was real keen on the Kit Carlson system, but as we know it never has been offered. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/idea.gif)
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| Mueller |
Jul 6 2005, 02:51 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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the real question is what is wrong with your motor/wiring or ????
seems odd that you keep having problems with the same part... sooner or later the dealer will tell you to go pound sand (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif) Are these supposed to be NOS or freshly manufactured?? What is going out on them, the diapham or inductor coil? |
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| TJB/914 |
Jul 6 2005, 02:57 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Hey Guys,
This Bosch price increase has me concerned too. I was lucky to get (2) replaced free of charge by the local reputable dealer. My car is restored & thats why I stayed D-Jet F.I. I would go Chevy in a heart beat if I was starting over. For now I have another spare #043 MPS, if needed to keep it running. I believe these high prices will bring out alternate systems. Stay tuned. Tom BTW Old Mercedes & Volvo's have the same MPS problem. |
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| Joe Bob |
Jul 6 2005, 03:00 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Geez...how long is the warranty? One year or less....I would be thinking that maybe it would accidently go bad every 10-11 months or so.... (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif)
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| Jake Raby |
Jul 6 2005, 03:01 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Damn for that cost you can buy my SDS electronics, new fuel pump and regulator and not worry about fryingan engine! AND actually get some real performance!
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| TJB/914 |
Jul 6 2005, 03:03 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Mueller,
I am anal so that's why I am doing my electrical re-do. I can't understand why these (new not mfg'd.) MPS keep going bad. Maybe, because they were manufactured in Spain (see pic.on box) or maybe because they have been on Bosch's shelf a long time????? Don't need this BS in my life. Chevy power looks better every day (or maybe Audi power). Tom |
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| TJB/914 |
Jul 6 2005, 03:06 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Opps, That's mfg'd in France?? Big difference.
Tom |
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| lapuwali |
Jul 6 2005, 03:21 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Alternative EFI systems are many. SDS, as Jake mentioned, is about $1200-1400 with wiring and sensors, and I presume if you buy from Jake, you get Type IV fuelling maps from Jake, too.
Mueller is in the midst of setting up a Link EFI system. Ben (airsix) has used Perfect Power. Dave Hunt and others have used Megasquirt. The cheapest of these is about $400 fully assembled with wiring, connectors, etc. Given a set of new carbs with linkage and manifolds is also over $1K now, the aftermarket EFI prices don't look so bad, anymore. |
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| airsix |
Jul 6 2005, 03:34 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Or... the moral of the story might be don't buy a French MPS. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/laugh.gif) That's an awful lot of failures. There are a lot of aftermarket EFI options available now for less than $1,600. You could do a megasquirt, turbo, and wideband O2 and still have enough left for a set of tires. Just a thought. -Ben M. |
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| Mueller |
Jul 6 2005, 03:35 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 17,146 Joined: 4-January 03 From: Antioch, CA Member No.: 87 Region Association: None
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I wonder if the diapham "age" hardens and becomes brittle from just sitting idle for so long on the shelf?? I'd be pissed as well......any dates of manufacture on the box or MPS? |
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| Jake Raby |
Jul 6 2005, 03:37 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,394 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
AS EFI tuning and research goes further and further here I am gaining a ton of fuel MAPS to help the tuner.
Wait till you guys see the data I have gathered so far, I am updating the site all this week at night..... Its unbelievable on some combos and marginal on others so far, but all have made gains with the EFI, especially in running temperature. |
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| wwhalenc |
Jul 6 2005, 03:39 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 19-April 05 From: Boulder,CO Member No.: 3,950 |
If my F.I. really starts going I planned on trying to retrofit some VW CIS al la early Rabbit. Seems like it could be a simple, cheap and effective solution.
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| TJB/914 |
Jul 6 2005, 05:43 PM
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Mid-Engn. Group: Members Posts: 4,327 Joined: 24-February 03 From: Plymouth & Petoskey, MI Member No.: 346 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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Hey Guys,
If Mueller or Jake comes out with an aftermarket kit I'll switch in a heart beat. Of course it has to the best proven one that fits my D-Jet system. I'll be the first to buy. I want a modern F.I. system with the latest design and reliabilty. Who cares about being original if you have to worry every time you take the 914 out. Looks like this is a good future after market for someone. Tom BTW The guys who have all the readings on MPS's is Jeff Bowlsby and (Geoff) Bleyseng. Hopefully they will share correct MPS readings (for a partnership or cut in the action). Makes sense to me if their involved (wire harness, testing equip. knowledge, etc.). Jeff & Geoff hope you don't mind using your names. |
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| Bleyseng |
Jul 6 2005, 05:49 PM
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Aircooled Baby! Group: Members Posts: 13,034 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Seattle, Washington (for now) Member No.: 24 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Its ok by me.
I have been trying to get diaphrams made for a couple of years without success. The settings are read using a Wavetek induction meter so unless you have one of those they aren't gonna help anyone much. |
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| Jeroen |
Jul 6 2005, 07:06 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Geoff, I've got one of those laying around here
I think it's off a 1.7 (or at least, that's what's written on the label by the PO) Dunno if it's working or not... Pick it up next time you or Monique are here (or I can send it to ya) |
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