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> Slitghtly OT: STi crash at Streets of Willow
TonyAKAVW
post Jul 7 2005, 12:05 PM
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Found this on the NASIOC (Subaru) forum. Interesting reading about how the passenger slid through the 4 point harness into the footwell area!!

I figured this would be of interest since we had our track day out there only a few months ago.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread...16&page=1&pp=25


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post Jul 7 2005, 12:43 PM
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Notice the posts about the anti-submarine belt not being there. I would make a bet that the driver did not have one either and since he hit his head on the steering wheel I would bet the belts going over his shoulders were around the top of the seat and not through openings in the back? I am really paranoid about the belts in the race car since I was at Willow Springs several years ago and saw the vintage VW Bug T-bone the Datsun sedan. The driver of the bug came through his belts too as they came over the top of the seat as he was very tall and the shoulder slots were deemed too low for his body size! Remember, if you hit a wall at 100MPH, there is over 30 tons of force trying to pull you through those belts!
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post Jul 7 2005, 12:55 PM
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I couldn't remember that wall being there at all.
i just watched Chris' in-car video and sure enough.
I have no idea what it was there for. They should take this as a lesson learned and eliminate the block wall. It had no soft barrier ( hay bales, tires ) Not even a gravel trap.
Green paint isn't enough on a track that sees a lot of track days/DE's.

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It's really strange that I don't remember that wall.
Most of were passing it at 85 mph plus...Guess that's why.

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post Jul 7 2005, 12:59 PM
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This thing is right off the track...That's crazy. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/wacko.gif)

It looks like they keep a debris pile behind it?

Out in the middle of the infield where you can't hit it makes a little more sense.

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post Jul 7 2005, 01:08 PM
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Boy! I don't remember that wall either! Is this the Streets or the main track?
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post Jul 7 2005, 01:14 PM
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Yikes, bad all around...track setup, luck, safety equipment. Guess if I were to do track days I'll get a 6-point harness (had a headon with a 5-point....hurt the boys real bad...guess a 6-point would feel 'better').
Hope they are OK after their hospital stay!
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post Jul 7 2005, 01:22 PM
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Every time I see one of these threads I think twice about wanting to go out on a track without:

a beater track car
a full cage
proper seats
proper harnesses
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post Jul 7 2005, 01:22 PM
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Oof. Thanks again to Drew for keeping us all safe on track day. This is definitely a reminder of how dangerous it can be. How well do you think a 914 would hold up in the same crash? My guess is not well. (a V8 914 could easily get up to the same speeds at that point)

Could someone who knows the track well point out the wall location on this image? I'm having trouble visualizing it.
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post Jul 7 2005, 01:47 PM
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post Jul 7 2005, 01:51 PM
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damn. proper seats (with SLOTS for shoulder belts), an anti-sub belt or two, and a full-face helmet are critical for this stuff, imho.

hope they pull through okay.
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post Jul 7 2005, 02:10 PM
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more pics, nothing graphic, but very illustrative of the severity of impact.
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post Jul 7 2005, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE (carreraguy @ Jul 7 2005, 11:08 AM)
Boy! I don't remember that wall either! Is this the Streets or the main track?

It is really tooo close to the track even though on a long straighaway. Looks like what really happend dropped two wheels off and "pulled" back on tract with over correction and then shot straight across track into the wall.

Most people try to get back on track way before they and car are ready. Driving on a track without adequate instruction is just looking for trouble.

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post Jul 7 2005, 02:22 PM
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Wow! I had to go back and look at my in car videos to see that wall. Never noticed it, since that's where I usually take a quick peek at the gauges. Damned if I can figure out how the guy hit it unless he had a huge equipment failure, but it shouldn't be there. Bet it won't be next week.
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post Jul 7 2005, 02:26 PM
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No Airbags? Would it have helped?
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post Jul 7 2005, 03:27 PM
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4 or more point belts can be a great safety feature, but when installed or adjusted wrong, they can actually also be more dangerous than stock belts

please, please, please always take your time to properly adjust your harness and make sure your passengers do too

track accidents can and will happen...
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post Jul 7 2005, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jul 7 2005, 01:27 PM)
4 or more point belts can be a great safety feature, but when installed or adjusted wrong, they can actually also be more dangerous than stock belts

please, please, please always take your time to properly adjust your harness and make sure your passengers do too

track accidents can and will happen...

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post Jul 7 2005, 07:17 PM
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I've never noticed that wall and I agree with Howard, it will probably be gone soon. There was a similar wall up between turn 2 and 3 that a 993 wiped out the side of his car on about 2 years ago and they removed it before the next event. I'm ordering a HANS device and all new 5 point belts next week.
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post Jul 7 2005, 08:44 PM
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Reafirms my intent to put full cage and race seats in addition to my 5 point harnesses before I take my car to any track. Oh yeah full face helment when I'm on the track.
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post Jul 7 2005, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (drew365 @ Jul 7 2005, 05:17 PM)
I've never noticed that wall and I agree with Howard, it will probably be gone soon. There was a similar wall up between turn 2 and 3 that a 993 wiped out the side of his car on about 2 years ago and they removed it before the next event. I'm ordering a HANS device and all new 5 point belts next week.

drew365,

I'm looking in to a Hans too. If I can get another person to join in on your purchase , can get we a group buy of sorts?
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post Jul 7 2005, 10:41 PM
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If my effin' schedule ever lets me get back into the track events seriously, I also have a Hans on my to-do list. If someone gets a group-buy going then please spread the word.
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