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Coondog
post Jul 28 2020, 10:32 PM
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I have been waiting for Patrick Motor Sports to start installing this in 914s. I have reached out to them and will pass on any info given. Not a fan of the vent set up in this Patrick car but anything custom could be done in there shop.
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post Jul 28 2020, 11:30 PM
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That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano?
Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jul 29 2020, 06:20 AM
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Hi Greg, I am watching for this too. I would love to have AC in my Six if ti was a clean set-up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Jul 29 2020, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE(eric9144 @ Jul 28 2020, 10:30 PM) *

That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano?
Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yes, same car.
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post Jul 29 2020, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(Coondog @ Jul 29 2020, 06:08 AM) *

QUOTE(eric9144 @ Jul 28 2020, 10:30 PM) *

That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano?
Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



Yes, same car.

it's classic Retrofits unit that they are testing out. It's still in the R&D stage. We are working with them now and may be carrying some AC options in the near future. I will have a test unit in my current build that is just coming out of paint now. I have a friend in Vegas with one of their units in his 930 and they blow ice cold
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post Jul 29 2020, 10:59 AM
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eeeeeexcellent Guess I should get a high power alternator when I put my 911 engine back together.
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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They are great units but when you tell people they are $5K, not including installation, there is usually a long pause. Not a big deal in a $150-200K build but a significant portion of many 914-6 conversions.
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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You've got to have a very high output alternator, and the wiring to support it
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:29 AM
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You've got to have a very high output alternator, and the wiring to support it

They sell one for $1K
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post Jul 29 2020, 11:29 AM
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Me- Long pause....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jul 29 2020, 12:54 PM
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For any one with a 911 there is a group buy scheduled to end Aug 1st for the setup with 10 off. I think its around ~3550 shipped
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post Jul 29 2020, 02:49 PM
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If its the same system that is currently available for 911, its not worth it. cant keep up with a 90 degree day here in the desert, let alone 110.
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post Jul 29 2020, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(RFoulds @ Jul 29 2020, 04:49 PM) *

If its the same system that is currently available for 911, its not worth it. cant keep up with a 90 degree day here in the desert, let alone 110.

The shop I used to work at, has installed a number of them, including 3 for a customer with 20+ Porsches who lives in Texas. They work great, even in very high heat and humidity but they do take some care to install. The high power alternator is a must and there are some tricks and tips to getting the best out of the system. It's like a lot of automotive parts. Some people assemble parts and call it done. Other people build, sort and tune and know how to get the most from the car.

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post Jul 29 2020, 03:16 PM
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Someone here is doing an elec AC in his 6. It will be interesting to see how it performs.
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post Jul 29 2020, 03:49 PM
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Heat doesn't work well in winter, A/C is too expensive for the summer.

That's why I call my 914 the "Three Season Porch(e)".
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post Jul 29 2020, 05:31 PM
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Many are interested in this.
I wish there were specifics about installations that included dimensions and compatability on condensers, receiver dryers, expansion valves and evaporators.
Succesful installs will establish what works.
A remote electric compressor that only requires a big amp alternator (and horsepower) is a great starting point.
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post Jul 29 2020, 06:31 PM
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Keith and I are playing around with different options all based on the Benling DM18A7 Electric compressor, aftermarket condenser, 911 condenser and off the shelf evaporators. Hopefully in a month we should be able to post something. Classic retrofit said they would sell this console evaporator separately. I am seeing the Benling electric compressor on evil bay for under $800.00. So if your a hobbyist the total solution is not that expensive if you piece mail it yourself. Do the math.... Benling compressor on the lowest setting is 40 amps + evaporator fans, condenser or oil cooler fans if your using a 911 condenser in front of your six oil cooler. A 2.7 alternator is 70 amps and a 3.2 alternator is 90 amps. With LED headlights, what else are you powering....??
This makes sense for a six conversion, for a four or water cooled power plant your better off with a standard belt driven compressor. Check out my blog for a picture of my condenser setup. The 911 condenser is about the length and height of a Mazda cooler, so you would need to modify your GT shroud to make it fit.
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QUOTE(Steve @ Jul 29 2020, 05:31 PM) *

Keith and I are playing around with different options all based on the Benling DM18A7 Electric compressor, aftermarket condenser, 911 condenser and off the shelf evaporators. Hopefully in a month we should be able to post something. Classic retrofit said they would sell this console evaporator separately. I am seeing the Benling electric compressor on evil bay for under $800.00. So if your a hobbyist the total solution is not that expensive if you piece mail it yourself. Do the math.... Benling compressor on the lowest setting is 40 amps + evaporator fans, condenser or oil cooler fans if your using a 911 condenser in front of your six oil cooler. A 2.7 alternator is 70 amps and a 3.2 alternator is 90 amps. With LED headlights, what else are you powering....??
This makes sense for a six conversion, for a four or water cooled power plant your better off with a standard belt driven compressor. Check out my blog for a picture of my condenser setup. The 911 condenser is about the length and height of a Mazda cooler, so you would need to modify your GT shroud to make it fit.

40 amps is on low or the lowest scroll rpm. Medium is 60a and high is 96a IIRC. Not that it won’t work and I hope it does. Lots of people need AC in their 914’s. I like the look of the evaporator Keith selected. As I told Keith, hose routing is very tight under the dash. I needed to flatten mine down to get past the steering column. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jul 30 2020, 07:10 AM
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96a just means you will be hitting the backup storage, battery for the additional Amps. That is going to take a serious wire #4 if it is all copper, and #2 if it is an aluminum or AL - copper clad.

Example

Never used the product just showing an example to make it easier on the next person.

Now time to pop the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Jul 30 2020, 08:30 AM
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I will be collecting pics along this technical journey and will be posting when this AC system is installed and working.
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