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Elec Air Cond, PMS |
Coondog |
Jul 28 2020, 10:32 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
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eric9144 |
Jul 28 2020, 11:30 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,731 Joined: 30-March 11 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 12,876 Region Association: Southern California |
That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano?
Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Cairo94507 |
Jul 29 2020, 06:20 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,650 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Hi Greg, I am watching for this too. I would love to have AC in my Six if ti was a clean set-up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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Coondog |
Jul 29 2020, 07:08 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,089 Joined: 24-September 15 From: Apple Valley Calif Member No.: 19,195 Region Association: Southern California |
That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano? Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Yes, same car. |
Matty900 |
Jul 29 2020, 10:41 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,269 Joined: 21-February 15 From: Oregon Member No.: 18,454 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
That's pretty slick, did that go into the blue 6 that was in Pano? Wonder what all is added elsewhere to make this work, the "in cabin" bits are pretty minimal and I've heard it actually works pretty well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Yes, same car. it's classic Retrofits unit that they are testing out. It's still in the R&D stage. We are working with them now and may be carrying some AC options in the near future. I will have a test unit in my current build that is just coming out of paint now. I have a friend in Vegas with one of their units in his 930 and they blow ice cold |
JmuRiz |
Jul 29 2020, 10:59 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,414 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
eeeeeexcellent Guess I should get a high power alternator when I put my 911 engine back together.
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mepstein |
Jul 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,142 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
They are great units but when you tell people they are $5K, not including installation, there is usually a long pause. Not a big deal in a $150-200K build but a significant portion of many 914-6 conversions.
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IronHillRestorations |
Jul 29 2020, 11:28 AM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,707 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None |
You've got to have a very high output alternator, and the wiring to support it
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mepstein |
Jul 29 2020, 11:29 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,142 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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Cairo94507 |
Jul 29 2020, 11:29 AM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,650 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Me- Long pause....... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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nditiz1 |
Jul 29 2020, 12:54 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,165 Joined: 26-May 15 From: Mount Airy, Maryland Member No.: 18,763 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
For any one with a 911 there is a group buy scheduled to end Aug 1st for the setup with 10 off. I think its around ~3550 shipped
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RFoulds |
Jul 29 2020, 02:49 PM
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Green Teen 66 Group: Members Posts: 831 Joined: 10-August 09 From: La Quinta, CA Member No.: 10,656 Region Association: Southwest Region |
If its the same system that is currently available for 911, its not worth it. cant keep up with a 90 degree day here in the desert, let alone 110.
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mepstein |
Jul 29 2020, 03:03 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,142 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
If its the same system that is currently available for 911, its not worth it. cant keep up with a 90 degree day here in the desert, let alone 110. The shop I used to work at, has installed a number of them, including 3 for a customer with 20+ Porsches who lives in Texas. They work great, even in very high heat and humidity but they do take some care to install. The high power alternator is a must and there are some tricks and tips to getting the best out of the system. It's like a lot of automotive parts. Some people assemble parts and call it done. Other people build, sort and tune and know how to get the most from the car. |
76-914 |
Jul 29 2020, 03:16 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,455 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
Someone here is doing an elec AC in his 6. It will be interesting to see how it performs.
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GregAmy |
Jul 29 2020, 03:49 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,262 Joined: 22-February 13 From: Middletown CT Member No.: 15,565 Region Association: North East States |
Heat doesn't work well in winter, A/C is too expensive for the summer.
That's why I call my 914 the "Three Season Porch(e)". |
rgalla9146 |
Jul 29 2020, 05:31 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,538 Joined: 23-November 05 From: Paramus NJ Member No.: 5,176 Region Association: None |
Many are interested in this.
I wish there were specifics about installations that included dimensions and compatability on condensers, receiver dryers, expansion valves and evaporators. Succesful installs will establish what works. A remote electric compressor that only requires a big amp alternator (and horsepower) is a great starting point. |
Steve |
Jul 29 2020, 06:31 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,548 Joined: 14-June 03 From: Orange County, CA Member No.: 822 Region Association: Southern California |
Keith and I are playing around with different options all based on the Benling DM18A7 Electric compressor, aftermarket condenser, 911 condenser and off the shelf evaporators. Hopefully in a month we should be able to post something. Classic retrofit said they would sell this console evaporator separately. I am seeing the Benling electric compressor on evil bay for under $800.00. So if your a hobbyist the total solution is not that expensive if you piece mail it yourself. Do the math.... Benling compressor on the lowest setting is 40 amps + evaporator fans, condenser or oil cooler fans if your using a 911 condenser in front of your six oil cooler. A 2.7 alternator is 70 amps and a 3.2 alternator is 90 amps. With LED headlights, what else are you powering....??
This makes sense for a six conversion, for a four or water cooled power plant your better off with a standard belt driven compressor. Check out my blog for a picture of my condenser setup. The 911 condenser is about the length and height of a Mazda cooler, so you would need to modify your GT shroud to make it fit. |
76-914 |
Jul 29 2020, 10:02 PM
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Repeat Offender & Resident Subaru Antagonist Group: Members Posts: 13,455 Joined: 23-January 09 From: Temecula, CA Member No.: 9,964 Region Association: Southern California |
Keith and I are playing around with different options all based on the Benling DM18A7 Electric compressor, aftermarket condenser, 911 condenser and off the shelf evaporators. Hopefully in a month we should be able to post something. Classic retrofit said they would sell this console evaporator separately. I am seeing the Benling electric compressor on evil bay for under $800.00. So if your a hobbyist the total solution is not that expensive if you piece mail it yourself. Do the math.... Benling compressor on the lowest setting is 40 amps + evaporator fans, condenser or oil cooler fans if your using a 911 condenser in front of your six oil cooler. A 2.7 alternator is 70 amps and a 3.2 alternator is 90 amps. With LED headlights, what else are you powering....?? This makes sense for a six conversion, for a four or water cooled power plant your better off with a standard belt driven compressor. Check out my blog for a picture of my condenser setup. The 911 condenser is about the length and height of a Mazda cooler, so you would need to modify your GT shroud to make it fit. 40 amps is on low or the lowest scroll rpm. Medium is 60a and high is 96a IIRC. Not that it won’t work and I hope it does. Lots of people need AC in their 914’s. I like the look of the evaporator Keith selected. As I told Keith, hose routing is very tight under the dash. I needed to flatten mine down to get past the steering column. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
914forme |
Jul 30 2020, 07:10 AM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None |
96a just means you will be hitting the backup storage, battery for the additional Amps. That is going to take a serious wire #4 if it is all copper, and #2 if it is an aluminum or AL - copper clad.
Example Never used the product just showing an example to make it easier on the next person. Now time to pop the (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
914Toy |
Jul 30 2020, 08:30 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 710 Joined: 12-November 17 From: Laguna beach Member No.: 21,596 Region Association: Southern California |
I will be collecting pics along this technical journey and will be posting when this AC system is installed and working.
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