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Not_A_Six
post Aug 15 2020, 10:22 AM
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EDIT: See post #17 for an update that contradicts some of the findings in this OP. See also post #29 for the final results.

I've recently gone down the rabbit hole of D-Jet and MPS tuning and wanted to post what I've learned in the hopes that it may help others. I also hope to start a discussion with some of the experts here in case I've missed something, or there are errors in my analysis.

Background:

With the increased displacement (2056cc) and non-stock cam (Webcam 73) in my engine, I was experiencing Air-Fuel Mixture (AFR) issues across the range of temperature, load, and rpm conditions.

This post concerns MPS tuning. At the moment, I'm also working on modifying component values inside the ECU to change the Volumetric Efficiency curve to better match the non-stock AFR vs RPM characteristics of my engine. If there is any interest in poking around that deep in the bowels of D-Jet, I'll start a thread when I finish. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Engine Configuration:

'73 2.0
Displacement: 2056cc
Cam: Webcam 73
ECU: Porsche nnn906021E (Bosch 280000037)
MPS: Porsche 022906051E (Bosch 0280100049) w/ Tangerine Racing tuning kit + spacer ring; tuned to emulate 0280100037
CHT: 0280130017 w/ 270-ohm ballast resistor and steel spacer
Vacuum Hoses routed per @JeffBowlsby (see link below)
Fuel Pressure: 35 psi (at the moment -- still tuning)
PCV: Modern PCV valve routed to plenum
Ignition: 123Ignition PORSCHE-4-R-V-IE, running profile "1" w/ Vac Advance
Timing: 27 degrees at 3500 rpm (w/o vacuum adv/ret)

Equipment used:
Generic handheld vacuum pump/gauge
misc hoses+fittings
AMPROBE LCR55A meter (on 20H scale)
Innovate Motorsports (3837) LM-2 (BASIC) Digital Air/Fuel Ratio Wideband Meter w/ Bosch LSU 4.9
Home-fabricated tailpipe "Stinger" w/ O2 Sensor Bung TIG welded on

Reference Info:
Vacuum Hose Routing
MPS Theory of Operation @pbanders
AFR vs Manifold Vacuum Issue @Demick


Analysis:

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As you can see in the "Chart A" sketch above, the MPS Inner Screw (in isolation), Outer Screw+Inner Screw (together), and Stop Plug Screw can be used to tune the MPS's affect on the AFR (via its effect on the Fuel Injection pulse width) vs Manifold Vacuum. As shown, the Inner Screw affects the mixture over the whole vacuum range; the Inner+Outer Screw controls the onset pressure P' where the diaphragm begins to lift off the part-load stop; the Stop Plug Screw controls the final pressure P'' where the diaphragm comes to rest on the full-load stop. On this chart, "up" corresponds to a longer FI pulse; "down" to a shorter FI pulse. For details, see pbanders's excellent link, above.

I had previously thought that the effect of the Inner Screw was similar to that of changing the fuel pressure via the fuel pressure regulator. Namely:

Inner Screw CCW = Increase Fuel Pressure => Richer AFR across entire vacuum range
Inner Screw CW = Decrease Fuel Pressure => Leaner AFR across entire vacuum range

There appeared to be no way to change the slope of the MPS Response curve in the region from 15 In-Hg to P'. And, I was experiencing the same problem that Demick posted about years ago in the thread linked above. Namely, the AFR would become too lean under moderate-load conditions across all RPM's, like this (from Demick's post):

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-2-1096387565.jpg)

To fix the lean condition around 6-8 In-Hg, it's really necessary to change the slope of the MPS response curve, not just raise or lower the whole curve.

However, there appears to be hope. It seems that the MPS inductance is not simply linear WRT manifold pressure in the 15 In-Hg to P' region. I speculate that this may be due to non-linearity in the MPS Inductance across its range of movement and/or the effect of the MPS spring. The result is that the curve seems to look more like the "Chart B" sketch above. And, the effect of turning the MPS inner screw isn't really raising or lower the entire curve, but rather shifting the Chart B curve left/right. (Chart B is a really rough sketch, and may even have the convexity backwards. For a more quantitative look, see below.)

I measured the inductance of my MPS at two different inner-screw settings: The red curve is the MPS tuned to pbanders's values corrected for 700 Torr ambient pressure. The blue curve represents an attempt to richen the AFR by turning the inner screw CCW.

Attached Image

As you can see, the slope of the red curve is steeper than the blue curve in this region. Apparently, turning the inner screw CCW has the effect of reducing the slope by raising the right end, rather than raising the whole curve.

I'm surprised that the curves cross around 7 In-Hg and that the blue curve value is less than the red curve value at the left side of the chart. This may be due to the effect of the part-load stop coming into play near P', measurement error, or something else. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

The salient point, however, is that adjusting the inner screw affects the slope of the curve, whereas presumably adjusting the fuel pressure does not.

The opens the possibility of tuning the AFR vs Manifold pressure curve by trading off fuel pressure vs inner screw position:

Increase Fuel Pressure + Turn Inner Screw CW => Enrich 6-8 In-Hg region
Decrease Fuel Pressure + Turn Inner Screw CCW = Lean out 6-8 In-Hg region

I experienced the same problem that Demick did (too lean at 6-8 In-Hg across all RPM), and have largely solved the problem by adjusting the fuel pressure up (to 35 psi currently), then tuning the MPS to set the AFR across the entire range of manifold vacuum levels.

I hope this is helpful to somebody. Comments are welcome. If I've made any errors, please feel free to beat me over the head. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/splat.gif)

Cheers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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Not_A_Six   MPS Tuning Analysis   Aug 15 2020, 10:22 AM
Olympic 914   I will be watching this closely. Had considered ...   Aug 15 2020, 11:16 AM
JOEPROPER   This is a great thread with great links. A lot of...   Aug 15 2020, 01:00 PM
Bleyseng   With a stock cam and the slight increase in piston...   Aug 15 2020, 02:21 PM
Not_A_Six   With a stock cam and the slight increase in pisto...   Aug 15 2020, 02:35 PM
JOEPROPER   Webcam 73...   Aug 15 2020, 05:56 PM
Not_A_Six   Webcam 73... Your engine setup sounds similar t...   Aug 15 2020, 06:04 PM
Olympic 914   On your Blue/Red graph, how many data points did y...   Aug 15 2020, 08:01 PM
Not_A_Six   On your Blue/Red graph, how many data points did ...   Aug 16 2020, 07:22 AM
BeatNavy   Just for fun I'll throw in some of my data and...   Aug 16 2020, 06:19 AM
Not_A_Six   Just for fun I'll throw in some of my data an...   Aug 16 2020, 12:49 PM
Not_A_Six   *** UPDATE *** I was bothered by the Inductance v...   Aug 17 2020, 04:31 PM
Frank S   [quote name='Not_A_Six' date='Aug 18 2...   Aug 18 2020, 12:06 PM
Not_A_Six   Awesome insights! Thanks, Frank. Please see m...   Aug 18 2020, 12:29 PM
Frank S   Awesome insights! Thanks, Frank. Please see ...   Aug 19 2020, 12:24 AM
Not_A_Six   *** UPDATE *** Based on the data from post #17 an...   Aug 19 2020, 04:13 PM
Olympic 914   [b]*** UPDATE *** Based on the data from post #1...   Aug 19 2020, 06:16 PM
Not_A_Six   This thread is great. Did you happen to break o...   Aug 19 2020, 06:27 PM
Bleyseng   Using a Wavetek just like Anders I came up with th...   Aug 16 2020, 07:14 AM
Olympic 914   This is great. I have been hoping others would po...   Aug 16 2020, 08:44 AM
JeffBowlsby   "2. Inductance meters seem to vary significan...   Aug 16 2020, 09:08 AM
Not_A_Six   The main reason that different meters give differe...   Aug 16 2020, 09:54 AM
Superhawk996   :D Great thread. Love seeing a logical, methodi...   Aug 16 2020, 09:45 AM
Bleyseng   My readings for a 037 MPS after testing several kn...   Aug 17 2020, 04:51 PM
Not_A_Six   My readings for a 037 MPS after testing several k...   Aug 17 2020, 05:04 PM
Olympic 914   The engine configuration I am running basically mi...   Aug 17 2020, 05:57 PM
Not_A_Six   The engine configuration I am running basically m...   Aug 17 2020, 06:19 PM
Olympic 914   The choice of CHT sensor and ballast resistor ...   Aug 17 2020, 06:46 PM
Not_A_Six   The choice of CHT sensor and ballast resistor...   Aug 17 2020, 06:52 PM
McMark   I'm thinking about adding a warmup pot, too. ...   Aug 18 2020, 02:35 PM
Olympic 914   I will plot the points on my MPS but I am not sure...   Aug 17 2020, 06:09 PM
914_teener   I.m a little confused with parts of your posts par...   Aug 20 2020, 10:09 PM
Not_A_Six   I.m a little confused with parts of your posts pa...   Aug 21 2020, 10:34 AM
Olympic 914   Got my MPS graph done 0 = 1.52 4 = 1.34 15 = 0.8...   Aug 27 2020, 04:46 PM
rjames   I know I'm late to the party- this thread is o...   Sep 3 2021, 07:21 PM
rjames   Speaking of MPS tuning... How does one know when ...   Sep 3 2021, 11:34 PM
adolimpio   Speaking of MPS tuning... How does one know when...   Sep 5 2021, 06:32 AM
rjames   [quote name='rjames' post='2942876' date='Sep 4 2...   Sep 6 2021, 12:54 AM
adolimpio   I suspect that you're losing vacuum because yo...   Sep 6 2021, 05:37 AM
rjames   I suspect that you're losing vacuum because y...   Sep 6 2021, 10:50 AM
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mgphoto   This is what I use. Inside screw only cw part loa...   Sep 24 2022, 05:22 PM
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Eric_Shea   Sorry! IT’S A JOKE!!! :D   Sep 26 2022, 03:26 PM
emerygt350   That's awesome.   Sep 26 2022, 04:49 PM
windforfun   Sorry! IT’S A JOKE!!! :D ...   Dec 1 2022, 05:12 PM
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emerygt350   Exactly, go with tangerine racing.   Dec 3 2022, 09:10 PM


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