300 HP on Aisle 5?, 718 Options

[Cairo94507]

I have to agree with @tygaboy Chris re the PDK, DSG, Dual clutch transmissions in the newer cars. I have the DSG in my S3 and that thing shifts better then you could ever hope for. Always in the right gear for the situation. My brother's 997.2 C4S coupe had the PDK and that car was a blast to drive too.

I think 300 HP with a dual clutch transmission in a 914 would be a bitchin ride. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[Front yard mechanic]

I say it will fit buy it and try

[Rob-O]

The act of physically "fitting" this engine into a 914 is just one part of this challenge. There's no demand for these engines, hence the price tag.

Your input means a lot.

Of course there's no demand until an engine blows, or someone uses one for something else. It just looks interesting.

Also, in a 914, the turbo would be right behind your seat.

My comment about “no demand” comes from the conversions that people are doing to 718s to remove these engines, and fit a six. The main reason why this is being done is because the dislike of the “sound” from these engines.

They have proven to be more reliable and less failure prone than their six cylinder peers of the same era based on our experience.

Why dont early boxster engines get used . 98,99
Ive heard they have excellent reliability when really driven hard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

97 and 98 are the best that were built from the whole engine family.

Regardless of the yay or nays of this argument, it’s nice to see ^ this fella posting here again.

[Andyrew]

I have to agree with @tygaboy Chris re the PDK, DSG, Dual clutch transmissions in the newer cars. I have the DSG in my S3 and that thing shifts better then you could ever hope for. Always in the right gear for the situation. My brother's 997.2 C4S coupe had the PDK and that car was a blast to drive too.

I think 300 HP with a dual clutch transmission in a 914 would be a bitchin ride. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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It takes me longer to shift in lower gears than run through the gear.... but I have clutch issues (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

If ya want to hear what turbo noises sound like in a 914, I’d gladly give anyone a ride. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It’s pretty loud, there are are quite a lot of distinct and different sounds that come from it

[mgp4591]

I have to agree with @tygaboy Chris re the PDK, DSG, Dual clutch transmissions in the newer cars. I have the DSG in my S3 and that thing shifts better then you could ever hope for. Always in the right gear for the situation. My brother's 997.2 C4S coupe had the PDK and that car was a blast to drive too.

I think 300 HP with a dual clutch transmission in a 914 would be a bitchin ride. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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It takes me longer to shift in lower gears than run through the gear.... but I have clutch issues (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

If ya want to hear what turbo noises sound like in a 914, I’d gladly give anyone a ride. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It’s pretty loud, there are are quite a lot of distinct and different sounds that come from it

But isn't there something romantic about rowing the gears in a lightweight little car? I thought that's what part of the point was. Power is what it is but keeping manual control is not only nostalgic, it's history. No matter whether it's an anemic 1.7 or Andyrew's turbo sounding like a room full of asthmatic adults with Covid, wheezing and farting back and forth, manually shifting is at the very soul of these cars. IMHO,,, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

[mbseto]

manually shifting is at the very soul of these cars. IMHO,,, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Preach

[ClayPerrine]

manually shifting is at the very soul of these cars. IMHO,,, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)

Preach

I have an estimated 430hp, and I could have put a dual clutch PDK into my car when I built it.

If I was racing, and wanted the last little bit of performance I could squeeze out of it, then I would put in the dual clutch PDK. It shifts faster, and has greater performance than a 6 speed manual.

It is also boring.

I am not racing, I built the car because I like to shift gears. I feel more connected to the car when I can choose my own gears. So I put in the manual.

[Andyrew]

Im not saying a clutch/stick isnt fun. BUT it when your looking for the next performance gain, its hard not to overlook the biggest drawback you have, and thats shifting.

All I am saying is that for those of us that are wanting to stretch the envelope on these little cars, that is one of the things that has been on the table as something that could really take the limits of these cars to the next level.


I put it hand in hand with AWD.. I want to take a tube chassis car and throw a DSG AWD mid engine setup in it... And I have a decent idea of how to accomplish it and still fit a stockish looking 914 shell on top.

[tygaboy]

Im not saying a clutch/stick isnt fun. BUT it when your looking for the next performance gain, its hard not to overlook the biggest drawback you have, and thats shifting.

All I am saying is that for those of us that are wanting to stretch the envelope on these little cars, that is one of the things that has been on the table as something that could really take the limits of these cars to the next level.


I put it hand in hand with AWD.. I want to take a tube chassis car and throw a DSG AWD mid engine setup in it... And I have a decent idea of how to accomplish it and still fit a stockish looking 914 shell on top.

@Andyrew - Tell me about your plans... I have a Cayman PDK and the associated control unit, shifter and cable. And that 993 rear suspension. With my car about to be road worthy, I'll be looking for a new project soon!

[horizontally-opposed]

Horses for courses, but I'd never choose a manual gearbox for a track car. On track, PDK is just a better solution imo—though its performance advantage is, I believe, somewhat overrated. It weighs more (and not a little more…) and its launch management advantages and 0-whatever advantages are lessened once you're in motion. There are some interesting videos about this out there.

On the street, however…the more time I have spent in cars with PDK, the more I like manuals and clutch pedals. PDK deletes 40% of a driver's primary inputs, and one of the most enjoyable aspects for me. You don't have to be driving hard to enjoy executing up and downshifts well. YMMV, which is why there are choices. And that's a good thing.

But, if I was clean-sheeting a 914, I would take a hard look at a Subaru STi 2.5 or Porsche's current 718 turbo fours—backing either of them up with a modern six-speed manual. For me, it would come down to price, weight, and gearing (not necessarily in that order).

[EdwardBlume]

All good points.

Ever drive a 996 c4 with the 3.6? I did with a Tip, and God as my witness, it was sublime. Also a cab, so the body was stiff. The point? If I could blank sheet a 914, it would be wide, AWD, 300hp, light, and balanced.

And have a toilet paper roll for your way out...

[ClayPerrine]

If I could blank sheet a 914, and had the cash, I would go to the Porsche special wish department and have them flare the chassis, and fit a Taycan electric drive train underneath.

Make the car look stock on the outside, other than 18 inch Fuchs. Put all the electronic controls and displays from the Taycan in it. A nice digital display in the factory gauge pod, and just for fun, harnesses for AX and track days.

All electric, all wheel drive 914... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[horizontally-opposed]

The problem with an EV as a 914 is I find the platform concepts at odds.

EV = heavy if it has any kind of range; I don't see a way around it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
914 = 1600-2300 pounds depending on how you build it (1800-1950lb would be my goal for a fun/fast street car as a scratch build)

718 Boxster/Cayman engine also has a huge advantage over earlier engines re: weight per pony. They really have been sweating the pounds out since the 986/996 era began. While I love my air-cooled six conversion, a 718 or STi flat four is hard to beat in terms of weight for power.

[thelogo]

I could be wrong but something tells me lotus aint making all electric . cause its juat to damn heavy ?

I personally don't care how fast a tesla is if it weighs more then f450 dually truck or a h1 or h2 hummer .wtf tesla

Fast isnt the same as sporty . unless youre a tesla carsalesmen

[Andyrew]

Im not saying a clutch/stick isnt fun. BUT it when your looking for the next performance gain, its hard not to overlook the biggest drawback you have, and thats shifting.

All I am saying is that for those of us that are wanting to stretch the envelope on these little cars, that is one of the things that has been on the table as something that could really take the limits of these cars to the next level.


I put it hand in hand with AWD.. I want to take a tube chassis car and throw a DSG AWD mid engine setup in it... And I have a decent idea of how to accomplish it and still fit a stockish looking 914 shell on top.

@Andyrew - Tell me about your plans... I have a Cayman PDK and the associated control unit, shifter and cable. And that 993 rear suspension. With my car about to be road worthy, I'll be looking for a new project soon!

Well since I have a pretty low likely hood of ever doing it....


For a cheap dsg I would go VW dsg and pair it either with a vr6 or 2.0t.
Then turn it 90deg to run it front to rear.

Add some underdrive boxes to the front and rear and then a differential at the wheels in the front and rear (flipping one upside down).

If I didn't want dsg I would do another FWD setup.

Fairly simple setup. All standard parts plus fabrication and a bit of machining.


There I said it... tube chassis car would be required at this point. But the engine would be able to stay in the engine bay.

[buck toenges]

How tough is it to put that engine into a 1st gen boxster?

[Mark Henry]

How tough is it to put that engine into a 1st gen boxster?

It would fit, 2.5 boxster /6 is the same size as a 3.8 997.1 engine.

[echocanyons]

Looks like a good candidate for conversion into my WRX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[VaccaRabite]

Looks like a good candidate for conversion into my WRX (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

More likely the WRX motor would be a good conversion for your 718. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I think its funny that the Porsche people don't like the "boxer rumble." The same sound probably sold more WRXs over 20 years then anything else.

Zach

[EdwardBlume]

Does the Boxster and 996 motors have the same side mount flanges on each side? This is what makes me curious about it fitting in a 914.