2.0 or more, Bigger is better Options

[930cabman]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

[Superhawk996]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Thats the spirit.

Honestly I was in same position - well maybe not quite as bad. The fun is in fixing stuff that others would simply throw away. For me that true of vintage cars, vintage motorcycles, vintage stereos, vintage tube amps. Whatever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) this throw away society we've become accustomed to.

Though - next time I'd buy a tub from CA. The guys in CA have it made.

[mepstein]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Thats the spirit.

Honestly I was in same position - well maybe not quite as bad. The fun is in fixing stuff that others would simply throw away. For me that true of vintage cars, vintage motorcycles, vintage stereos, vintage tube amps. Whatever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) this throw away society we've become accustomed to.

Though - next time I'd buy a tub from CA. The guys in CA have it made.

I have a CA tub waiting in the wings. Bare tub $500, shipping, $800. Minimal rust repair, priceless.

[Superhawk996]

I have a CA tub waiting in the wings. Bare tub $500, shipping, $800. Minimal rust repair, priceless.

@mepstein

Now you tell me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I've got way more than $1300 "invested" in reproduction sheetmetal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And to think some guy got a whole car for just $200 more than that!

By now you should know how stubborn (i.e. dumb) I am. Saving a rusty chassis and building up a Mag case 2.4L that will certinaily cost more than the 3.xL engine you offered up to me a while back.

Nah, the easy way out isn't my thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

But next time . . . . I certainly would take you up on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[mepstein]

I have a CA tub waiting in the wings. Bare tub $500, shipping, $800. Minimal rust repair, priceless.

@mepstein

Now you tell me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I've got way more than $1300 "invested" in reproduction sheetmetal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And to think some guy got a whole car for just $200 more than that!

By now you should know how stubborn (i.e. dumb) I am. Saving a rusty chassis and building up a Mag case 2.4L that will certinaily cost more than the 3.xL engine you offered up to me a while back.

Nah, the easy way out isn't my thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

But next time . . . . I certainly would take you up on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Travis had this engine up for sale. I was second in line but first buyer bailed. As luck would have it, the shop was doing a pickup near to him in AZ so the shipping was sort of free. It's at the machine shop right now - Shop owner bought a machine shop nearby so its getting fixed up to at least a long block. Sometimes even a blind squirrel gets lucky, or something like that...
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...6&hl=engine

[Tdskip]

Go Mark go!

[Superhawk996]

Awesome score Mark!

Look at the size of those intake ports! That is outrageous!

[bbrock]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

Love the attitude! I do have some concerns though. Your bracing is interesting, but I don't see any way to adjust. A big advantage of a diagonal brace with turnbuckle is it gives an easy way to adjust the chassis to keep the body measurements in factory spec. It's amazing how rubbery the chassis gets when the outer long is removed. I was able to dial my measurements in literally using only two fingers on the turnbuckle.

Also, as Mark pointed out, removing that inner long takes this to another level. There is no longer any structure maintaining the tub length. You can see in your pic that the floor is sagging which means the length has been shortened so you'll need some kind of fixture to make sure the dimensions are correct and the chassis is straight when the new structure is welded in. You may already have a plan for this and I'm not trying to be negative. Just trying to alert to possible pitfalls the way others have done for me on my build. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Oh, and your rust bucket definitely has mine beat in basket case status (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

[930cabman]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

Love the attitude! I do have some concerns though. Your bracing is interesting, but I don't see any way to adjust. A big advantage of a diagonal brace with turnbuckle is it gives an easy way to adjust the chassis to keep the body measurements in factory spec. It's amazing how rubbery the chassis gets when the outer long is removed. I was able to dial my measurements in literally using only two fingers on the turnbuckle.

Also, as Mark pointed out, removing that inner long takes this to another level. There is no longer any structure maintaining the tub length. You can see in your pic that the floor is sagging which means the length has been shortened so you'll need some kind of fixture to make sure the dimensions are correct and the chassis is straight when the new structure is welded in. You may already have a plan for this and I'm not trying to be negative. Just trying to alert to possible pitfalls the way others have done for me on my build. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Oh, and your rust bucket definitely has mine beat in basket case status (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Thanks to all for the (non structural) support. I have built my career on historic building restorations in Buffalo for many years, and all this stuff is the basically the same. Metal/wood/concrete/glass all behave somewhat different, but similar. My basic philosophy has been, "if it was built a hundred years ago, who says we can't build it today". That basically holds true, except the pyramids in Egypt, but thats a story for another day.

The last project I undertook was a 1985 Alfa spider with 12,000 miles and NO rust, great car, but got in the way of the hurricane Sandy flood surge. I removed seaweed from the rear view mirror, it was bad. It took a few years, but she is now alot of fun. Personally this stuff is therapy and I have fun with it. Prior to welding new structurals I will be checking and rechecking the body dimensions and door fits.

Thanks again to all, I will continue to post and am looking forward to running this beast around Buffalo next summer.

[sixnotfour]

I passed on my chance to install a six years ago with a 2.4 I picked up and then sold it to fellow member who installed it in a 914 conversion.
These days I'd just buy a converted 914 with all the stuff done, way cheaper.

I have that 2.4, going into REDRUM... You to DanRoot to Camp914, to Me..

[930cabman]

Holy cow.


You should buy that tub from that guy in the UK...for $1,500.


Man...the entire long is kaput.

Why would I do such a thing, this is the fun part. Good thing we have RD at our disposal, it would be much more difficult without them

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/cheer.gif) Thats the spirit.

Honestly I was in same position - well maybe not quite as bad. The fun is in fixing stuff that others would simply throw away. For me that true of vintage cars, vintage motorcycles, vintage stereos, vintage tube amps. Whatever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif) this throw away society we've become accustomed to.

Though - next time I'd buy a tub from CA. The guys in CA have it made.

True and true, many Americans simply throw into the trash all kinds of useable items when a repair can be accomplished. Generally speaking one is off their rocker to purchase a Porsche in the first place, more so off their rocker to purchase one in need of repair, and a rust out Porsche, well you get the picture.

Had a couple hours today, cleaned up a prior "partial floor repair" completed with 16ga steel brazed in and sealed with gobs of tar. Getting the tub clean and ready for the new panels is a challenge. I am fabricating plywood patterns fit into the door openings that can be used in place of hanging the doors as rebuilding occurs.

[930cabman]

Found some original floor and opened up the "inner longitudinal on the passenger side. Selective demolition and discovery phase

[mbseto]

Wow. Mine was in a similar condition. Got the passenger side rebuilt, currently working on the driver's side. If you are finished by next summer, you will be done before me, but I will look forward to watching your methods. Godspeed.

[930cabman]

Wow. Mine was in a similar condition. Got the passenger side rebuilt, currently working on the driver's side. If you are finished by next summer, you will be done before me, but I will look forward to watching your methods. Godspeed.

@Matt , was the entire longitudinal in need of replacement? were you posting pics on this site. How is the drivers side

[pencap914]

For my door brace, I found an "adjustable link" from Tractor Supply Co, cut it in half then welded it to a thick walled 1" square tubing.

The brace goes from the upper seatbelt bolt hole to a section of angle iron tacked into place on the inside of where the door hinges are, above the heater pipe. Not sure if it was the easiest/cheapest way to do it, but it allowed me to adjust the door gaps with the doors installed.



https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/adjustable%20link?

[pencap914]

[draganc]

What’s the deal with us 914 guys?!?!
I had the same view in my garage, 914, e class wagon and........black Cannondale bike.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[930cabman]

What’s the deal with us 914 guys?!?!
I had the same view in my garage, 914, e class wagon and........black Cannondale bike.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Is that a "homemade" inner longitudinal? what gauge

[VaccaRabite]

Is that a "homemade" inner longitudinal? what gauge

There are clamshells available and long stiffening kits as well.

Once you fix the longs, of your plan is to race the car or add a significant amount of power, consider adding in inner longitudinal reinforcing kit. (I think Mad Dog sells it, maybe others these days.)

Zach

[mbseto]

Wow. Mine was in a similar condition. Got the passenger side rebuilt, currently working on the driver's side. If you are finished by next summer, you will be done before me, but I will look forward to watching your methods. Godspeed.

@Matt , was the entire longitudinal in need of replacement? were you posting pics on this site. How is the drivers side

@930cabman , yes, cut the entire long out on both sides - one at a time, of course. Just about to button up the driver's side, need to update my build thread. Link is in my sig.